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MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by compass » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:55 am

An Incomplete Guide to SEO Part 1:

The real truth about search engine optimization is that there is no “silver bullet” any more. It used to be true that you could stuff a few keywords into some metatags and you get lots of traffic. Now, search engines are much smarter. Google recently released its patent #20050071741 on its "Information Retrieval Based on Historical Data" (that's that little search page to you and me). In the document were over 118 factors that effected a web site's position in the search engine's rankings!

This is the real truth about SEO:

There is no such thing as Search Engine Optimization any more.

The only reality now is having a long term web marketing strategy and a commitment to building a site full of quality information.
Having said that, assuming that your site is one of the ones with the quality content, SEO still has its place.

"On an average day, about 68 million Americans will go online."
"More than half of them, over 38 million people, will use a search engine."
Source: Pew Internet & American Life Project, January 2005.

There are a lot of people out there, and why shouldn’t they come to your site? Especially if all the “other guys” are still just stuffing metatags. Over the next five parts, I will explain some of the things you can do to increase your traffic and visibility, and make specific references to how this is implemented in Joomla. I will be looking at the steps in a roughly chronological order that you might take as you launch a new site. Follow this guide and some time in the next 6 months, you might be getting that traffic you wanted.

Part 1: An Incomplete Guide to SEO
Part 2: Planning your site
Part 3: Designing your Site
Part 4: Launching your site

(see a theme yet?)
Part 5: Growing your site strategically

Part 2: Planning your site

Why do you want traffic?

Before you go anywhere you need to answer this question. You can break it down into:
What is your web site about?
Who will visit it?
What will they gain?
What will you gain?

Write the answers on a piece of paper… no really!

Now you have thought some what about who is going to visit your site, we can talk about the how.

Keywords..
Keywords..
Keywords..

Imagine you are a potential visitor to your site. What keywords will you type in to find it? Take a blank piece of paper. Now, on your piece of paper, write down as many words or phrases as you can that you as a potential visitor would search for to find a site like yours in a search engine. Try to write 20 to 30 keywords or phrases on your piece of paper. If you’re having trouble coming up with keywords, ask your partner, friends or family members which keywords they would use to find your site. At this point you should have a list of no less than 20 keywords or phrases at your disposal.

You need this tool below:
http://www.pixelfast.com/overture/

I use it almost on a daily basis. It allows you to find out which keywords people are using in their searches, which as I’m sure you will agree is very valuable information!

Another useful way of doing this is a beta Google tool:
http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en


Start at the top of your keyword list that you wrote earlier and enter each one into the text box. As you can see, the term suggestion tool returns a list of keywords and how many times they were searched for. As you type each of your keywords into the text box and see the number of searches, write that number down next to your keyword on the page.

You should now have a list of keywords with the number of searches for that keyword from last month on your page. To get the 5 most popular keywords, simply take the 5 keywords with the highest number of searches. Flip your paper over and write them down in order of most to least popular. You should now have your list of 5 popular keywords, maybe something like this:

Marketing: 1,406
Advertising: 704
Web Site Promotion: 442
Marketing Online: 56
Branding: 5

These keywords are going to form the basis for all of your site optimization strategies. Keep your keyword list with you as you read through the rest of these articles.

The first way to use these keywords

Engines use your domain name as a factor in the Search Engine Results Page (SERP). Now there is a lot of debate here, some think that branding for the viewers is more important than having a keyword in the URL (remember the URL of my lead example?). But, if you can combine both, then great! Notice my domain is compassdesigns.net. This will get me a little boost if someone searches for “web design”.

Anyway, you can’t easily change your domain after you have made your site, so this is why we are thinking about SEO before we have even started on the site design. If we can use a keyword in the domain, go for it.

New!
Google takes into account both how long a name has been registered AND how long it is registered for. You can't do anything about the first, but always register for 2+ years.


Part 2 Summary:
  • Ask yourself who will visit your site, why and what will you get out of it.
  • Research your keywords.
  • Domain name; branding or keyword?
Part 3: Designing your Site

Ready for the techie stuff? OK, grab your coffee/beer/herbal chai.

First and most important:

You need lots of content, LOTS of it. Before you have even considered site design and such, you should have 100 odd pages of actual content. Yes, there are supposed to be two zero’s on the end of that 1… 100, I mean it. A page of content means about 200-500 words.

Of course, no-one does this, I didn’t! But, if you are serious of getting gobs of traffic, and you do have lots of rich content to publish, just think how far ahead you will be of poor schmuks like me.

As I mentioned before, designing your site for traffic, both human and search engine spider is very different than a few years ago. Its now about what is on the page that people can see. No more having a 200 keyword list that is set to the same color as the background at the bottom of the page.

If your impatient, according to the “SEO guys”, here are the most important factors in deciding your SERP, along with a vague number I came up with to show relative value. These ten factors add up to a whopping 21% of the SERP.

Title – 2.3%

This is what appears in the blue bar at the top of your browser, it comes from a metatag called . As well as being used as a pure factor in SERP, it also boosts rank in other ways. Some engines use “click-through” rates as a factor. Sites where the title closely matches the content tend to get better click-throughs (searchers see its not a spam site). When words in the title are also used as anchor text in a link to the page, you get more benefit.

Joomla! Note!

Joomla easily allows you to manipulate the title of a page. With built-in SEF enabled, you title will reflect the content of the page. Even better is to install a 3rd party SEF, then you can set the page title to be the title alias of that page. I prefer using the title alias for my page title, then I can have the title on the page and control the one delivered in better.

Critical note:
You MUST have some sort of SEF enabled. Search engines hate dynamically generated pages, and that’s the whole point of Joomla! Even if you have just basic enabled, the benefit of the search engine “seeing” static pages is huge, far outweighing the little bonus gained from having keywords in the title too.

Anchor Text of Links – 2.3%

The phrasing, terms, order and length of a link's anchor text is one of the largest factors taken into account by the major search engines for ranking. Specific anchor text links help a site to rank better for that particular term/phrase at the search engines. In other words, it’s the actual text that represents the link on a web page.

Keyword Use in Document Text – 2.2%

Your keywords must appear in the actual copy of the page. Supposedly search engines pay more attention to the first and last paragraphs. The way to go about this is have your keywords firmly in your mind as you write your copy. I don’t know about you, but I find this really hard. I prefer a different approach.

There is a simple trick here, write your quality content, then use a keyword density tool to find the keyword density. THEN, take the top words and add them to the meta keywords tag for that page. This is somewhat backwards for some maybe, it optimizes a page for what you actually wrote, rather than trying to write a page optimized for certain words. I find I get much better correlation like this and can then tweak my text afterwards.

Sure, if you want to you can further optimize by having the keywords in header tags and bold etc. As a guide, these might contribute less than 1% to the SERP.

Joomla! Note!
Joomla is good and bad here. The good part is its easy to add keywords to the meta keywords tag for that page. You just go to the meta info when you are editing the content and plop them in. Note that they are added as well as any keywords you have specified in the main global configuration. Its good to only have your most important 2-3 words there and put the rest in the pages.
The bad part is linked to the fact that Joomla is dynamic. The code is not very lean, that is, there is a lot of html compared to actual copy text. This in turn reduces your keyword density (indirectly). One way to address this is to design without tables (I hear vavroom applauding). Using CSS instead of tables means leaner code. Its also possible with CSS to have your page “source ordered”. This means that the real content (the middle column to you and me) comes before the side columns and/or navigation.

New!
I recently posted a few multi-page articles on my own site. As I did so, something occured to me. The keywords assigned to the meta tag are for the whole article, however, search engines will only look at the KW density for a particular page. So? Well, if you are really concerned about high KW density, its better to have longer pages. Otherwise you might have a part of an article where they don't appear. Having said that, to make the KWD average out, this would imply there were pages that had a higher density, so maybe just those would rank. A wash maybe?


Accessibility of Document – 2.2%

We are not talking human accessibility here (as in 508). Accessibility is anything on the page that impedes a search engine spider’s abilty to crawl a page. There can be a number of culprits:

:( Avoid Splash Pages: Flash and heavily graphic introductions prohibit engines from crawling your site.
:( Avoid Frames: Never use pages with frames. Frames are too complex for the crawlers and too cumbersome to index.
:( Avoid Cookies: Never require cookies for Web site access! Search engine crawlers are unable to enter any cookie-required materials.
:( Avoid JavaScript when Possible: Though JavaScript menus are very popular, they disable crawlers from accessing those links. Most, well-indexed Web sites incorporate text-based links primarily because they are search engine friendly. If necessary, JavaScript should be referenced externally.
:( Avoid Redirects: Search engines frown upon companies that use numerous Web sites to redirect to a single Web site.
:( Avoid Internal Dynamic URLs on the Home page: Though many sites incorporate internal dynamic links, they should not incorporate those links on the home page. Engine crawlers are currently ill-equipped to navigate dynamic links - which often pass numerous parameters using excessive characters.

Utilize Your Error Pages: Too often companies forget about error pages (such as 404 errors). Error pages should always re-direct "lost" users to valuable, text-based pages. Placing text links to major site pages is an excellent practice. Visit http://www.cnet.com/error for an example of a well-utilized error page.

Joomla!Note!
Many things to be careful of here. The most important is go turn on Search Engine Friendly URL’s (SEF). It changes your links and pages from dynamic to static.
The other important factor is JavaScript menus. They are very popular because the look great. As good as they look to people however, they look equally as bad to spiders. Try using CSS to style you menus, you’ll be surprised how good they look. You can even have drop-down sub menus.

Internal Links- 2.1%

Even more important than the holy grail of external links is internal links. Who knew! Easily the most underrated criteria. But, its important to make sure you are making good use of anchor text. A well-linked to document is considered more important than an obscure page.

Tight Site Content Theme– 2.1%

What your website is about is determined through analysis of the content. Its critical that it correlates to keywords, anchor text, etc.

One strange off shoot of this is perhaps its not worth spending much effort trying to build the page rank of the home page. This strange concept is explained in the idea of Search Engine Theme Pyramids.

A related factor is having a good sitemap. Not only is it good spider food, you can also load it with lots of quality anchor text for those internal links as well as relevancy text (that which appears near a link). Also important is the invisible Google sitemap which is an xml file for the Google spider only.

Joomla!Note!

Thumbs up for Joomla! Add-ons such as Docman make it effortless to add globs of content quickly and easily. Remember, it’s a Content Management System after all. There are also some add-ons for sitemap, though I think that you have to upload the Google sitemap independently.

External Links – 2.0%

These are the links from other sites to you. Note its much better to have specific pages linked rather than your homepage because of the idea of Search Engine Theme Pyramids. Don’t bother with link farms or anything you see advertised for a link. You are much better off finding links from sites that have similar topics as yourself (see below)

Theme of Linking Sites– 2.0%


The search engine is trying to figure out what your page is about, so it can decide if its relevant to a users search. Links from pages with similar topics add credence to your page. When trying to search out those links you can use something like WebFerret. Or if you just want a quick method, use the “related:” tag in Google, e.g. type “related:www.yahoo.com” in and it will search for sites related to the topic of Yahoo (whatever that is?). Then spend some time emailing webmasters and asking for links. There is software out there that will do this automatically for you.

Popularity of Linking Sites – 1.9%

This means that links from sites that are “important” (i.e. have a high SERP) are more valued than those from a lower SERP. A factor worth considering when searching out links, get the ones from sites with a high page rank first.

Keyword Spamming – 1.9%

Careful, this is a negative factor!! This means having a keyword density in text or tags so high that the engine decides you are stuffing. Your rank will go from #1 to #10000 in a heartbeat. Want to know the best part? No-one actually knows what percent density this is, and its probably different for different engines! Between you and me, I am not going above 15% on my pages.

For the morbidly curious, the other factors I have on my site (there are too many to post here) at Search Engine Ranking Factors.

Part 3 Summary
  • Fortune favors those with rich content
  • There are many factors that determine search engine page ranking.
  • Rather than tweak minor tags, its better to leverage Joomla’s true power of being a fully fledged Content Management System to gain rank.
  • Don’t use flash (ok, I admit I am biased)
  • Make sure your pages are under 10k. Not mentioned above, but it just occurred to me.
Part 4 coming soon at The Incomplete Guide to SEO
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Part 4: Launching your web site

So you have designed your web site, and now its time to put it online. I’ll leave the actual process of installation for another time. I will mention hosting however.

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Not every host will meet the needs of a Joomla site. One issue is safemode. It’s a server setting and it needs to be off for Joomla to work properly. Other issues that often crop up are ones involved “ownership” of files on the server.

Ok, so we have our site up, what next?

Open your doors to the spiders

To start showing up on rankings, your site needs to be indexed. This means a program called a spider comes to your web site and crawls it. Crawling involves looking at the tags, text and following all the links it can find. Make sure your site is easy to crawl:

All pages should be linked to more than one page on your site. This is easy to do with Joomla, it happens with the mainmenu and other menus. Also try and make all pages within two levels of the root (home page). If they are buried, try and add more specific sections to hold that content.

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Two Common Joomla Mistakes!
• Flash menus. I showed my bias against flash in my last article. Spiders struggle to follow flash. If you really must have flash navigation, then you need to include some plain old text links somewhere on the page. An easy way to do this is in the footer. Go to /includes/footer.php and add your links there. They will then turn up on every page, easy eh?
• Don't put it online before you have a quality site to put online. It's worse to put a "nothing" site online, than no site at all. You want it flushed out from the start. Its very easy to fall into this trap with Joomla as its so easy to put a site up, especially with the built in templates. Better to work off line with MSAS and import the SQL database (note to self: write guide to working offline)

One last thing, to actually be indexed, the spiders need to know you exist. This happens by submitting your site and linking.

Submitting your site

The first part is real easy. Go and submit your site by hand to all the major engines, here’s a few to get you started.

http://www.google.com/addurl/?continue=/addurl
http://search.yahoo.com/info/submit.html

When you do submit, take note of who supplies the search. Alltheweb is done by yahoo for example, you don’t need to submit there.
The second part is much harder. Forget about you submissions for a few months. That’s right, submit them and forget about it. Don’t even think about using one of those “submit your site to 89768 engines for $20” deals.

Also go submit to a few directories. If you have the right contacts, sacrifice a goat or something and submit to dmoz.org. It’s the grand daddy, with a page rank of 9, but almost impossible to get on.

Linking your site

Getting links to your site is perhaps the most important part of SEO and perhaps worth a topic all in itself. Needless to say, the more links from quality sites you can get the better. Also ones with the same topic as your site help more (that was in part 3).

An easy submission is in the community news section of Joomla.org. Hey, its free, will give you a link and also might trigger a spider to crawl you. If you have a useful site, announce it to the community!

Logging and Tracking


Get a decent tracker that can track inbound referrals (where someone came from). Most hosts have several built in, I use awstats. Whatever you do, don't use a lame graphic counter, it doesn’t give you want you want and looks unprofessional. If your host doesn't support referrers, then back up and get a new host. You can't run a modern site without full referrals available 24x7x365 in real time.

For the more compulsive amongst us, you can start watching for spiders from search engine’s. Make sure those that are crawling the full site, can do so easily. If not, double check your linking system (use standard hrefs) to make sure the spider found it's way throughout the site.

Buying Traffic


One underused way of SEO is simply buying traffic. You might not think of advertising when you think of optimizing your site, but the ultimate goal of all this is traffic, so why not just skip the middle man.

I recommend using Google AdWords. It’s a Pay-per-click program that has somewhat revolutionized online advertising. Basically you only pay (usually a few cents) when someone actually clicks on your link. Your actual ad is designed based on certain keywords you want (remember part 2?), this means it targeted traffic, the best kind.

I’ll probably do a guide at some point, but to get started, you need a Google account. Also, to help you figure out how much to bid, and on what words, I use this tool the most:

http://www.pixelfast.com/overture/

It does the bid and terms at the same time.

Where is all my traffic?


In March 2004, Google implemented a new filter, now referred to as "The Sandbox". Google's thinking was, A new web site shouldn't be able to get good ranking, until they prove themselves. Spammers generate millions of new pages daily, along with millions of new links to go with them.

Google withholds high ranking ability on new sites, by de-valuing the new links for 2-4 months. If the domain and backlinks have existed for a certain length of time (4 months?), then you are OK, and escape from the sandbox. This penalty is new-site based. Long-standing sites have no trouble ranking new pages. Over time, the newly generated links are given weight, and eventually the sandbox effect goes away.

Don’t get too worked up about instant traffic, its probably not going to happen anyway because of the sandbox. For the next few months you are better off spending your time writing content, a page every few days.

Part 4 Summary
  • Use a Joomla friendly host
  • Make sure your site can be spidered
  • Submit and forget
  • Buying traffic is surprisingly cheap
  • You won’t get good SERP to start
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by justhani » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:57 am

it's to long ... to read it  :D

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by domineaux » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:05 pm

One thing you failed to mention:

Spiders can't click, or maybe I missed it.

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Thanks for a good read.
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by j0s3 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:47 pm

many thanks for putting all that together!  :)

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Post by compass » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:57 pm

You are most welcome!
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by derekh » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:41 am

Thanks for this. The idea of announcing the site in the community blog here has driven an amazing amount of traffic to my site. That has given me a lot of positive feedback, some helpful suggestions and hopefully, maybe someone who will become a customer.

thanks for a great idea and a great article!

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Post by compass » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:24 pm

SEO is a fast moving, here is a short up to date version:

Use this top ten list if you already have a site ranked and want to see what you can implement to get your ranking higher. Much of the information here is based on two 2007 studies about ranking in Google from SEOmoz.org and Sistrix.

1. Keyword Use in Title Tag

The number one factor in ranking a page on search engines is the title tag. These are the words in the source of a page in and appear in the blue bar of your browser.

Choose the title of an article very carefully. Joomla will use the title of the article in the title tag (what appears in the blue bar). It will also be the text used in any insite links (see #5 and 6)

2. Anchor Text of Inbound Link

Anchor text is the text that appear underlined and in blue (unless it’s been styled) for a link from one webpage to another.

Try to get some inbound links to your article using the keywords you want to be ranked for. Two ways are to do this are through online press services such as PRweb.com or simply by networking.

3. Global Link Popularity of Site (PageRank)

How many pages are linking to your page is called link popularity, or in Google, PageRank.

The more sites link to you, the better. Joomla is a CMS that helps you add content quickly. Create one quality content page per day. Quality content is the most important factor to getting bound links. For a site that will perform well, you eventually need 200 odd pages of content. This is the important point. QUICK SEO IS DEAD. The only way to perform well in SEO now is to have a rich content site.

4. Age of Site

When was the domain of the site registered?

Nothing you can do about this, but there is evidence that suggests that how long you have your domain registered for makes a difference (spam sites are not registered for long). Go and extend your domain registration for a couple of years.

5. Link Popularity within the Site

This is the number of links to the page from inside your own domain.

Because of #2, it’s critical that you link to articles from within your site using the right anchor text. Make sure that you:

        * Use the linked titles setting
        * Make good used of the Most Read, Related Items and Latest News modules.
        * Have a sitemap component linked to right from your homepage

6. Topical Relevance of Inbound Links and Popularity of Linking Site

It’s important that you get quality inbound links. This means they have to be from a site that is topically related to your, and one that has a high PageRank.

        * It’s worth submitting once to directories (then forget about it).
        * Type “related:www.yoursite.com” into google and contact the top 20 returns for links.Link Popularity of Site in Topic Community
        * Make sure you have a blog on your site, and network with others in your topical community. Make sure you frequently link to other blogs in your topical community.

7. Keyword Use in Body Text

The keyword density of the phrase you are optimizing for in the content of the page. Still important, the German study from Sistrix identified some interesting results.

        * Targeted keywords in the first and last paragraphs. There is a simple trick here, write your quality content, and then use the tool of your choice to find the keyword density. THEN, take the top three words and add them to the meta keywords in the parameters part of the page (in Joomla admin). This is somewhat backwards for some maybe, it optimizes a page for what you actually wrote, rather than trying to write a page optimized for certain words (which I always find difficult).
        * Keywords in H2-H6 headline tags seem to have an influence on the rankings while keywords in H1 headline tags seem to be getting less valuable. Modify the output of the core content component through a template override file.
        * Using keywords in bold or strong tags - slight effect, same with img alt tags and filenames.

Additional notes:

A couple of other factors at the bottom of measured/estimated influence.

8. File Size

The file size doesn’t seem to influence the ranking of a web page on Google although smaller sites tend to have slightly higher rankings. Optimize those images!

9. Clean URL (Joomla SEF)

Although Keywords in the file name (URL) don’t seem to have a positive effect (based on the German study), a URL with few parameters (?id=123, etc.) is important. Turn on Joomla SEF but don‘t get anal about it.

Other Notes

10. Utilize Your Error Pages.

Too often companies forget about error pages (such as 404 errors). Error pages should always re-direct "lost" users to valuable, text-based pages. Placing text links to major site pages is an excellent practice. Visit http://www.cnet.com/error for an example of a well-utilized error page. To make the error page fit with the rest of the theme of your site, create an uncategorized article and then copy the source as viewed on a webpage, and put that into the 404 file.

What’s not here?

You’ll see much of the discussion about SEO revolving around various SEF components. These components allow for advanced manipulation of URL’s and meta tags. Neither of these was identified as a major factor in either SEO analysis. Turn on the default Joomla SEF, but I am not sure there is much evidence that its very influential after that.

Note:

  1. Human Readable URL's or HUF is what I describe what people commonly refer to as Joomla SEF. I do this to point out that easily readable and memorable URL's are much more important for humans than they are search engines. Joomla SEF fixes a major usability issue not a SEO one.
  2. Yes, I know that alot of people disagree with me on this one ;)
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Re: Updated Version!

Post by Pentacle » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:45 pm

compass wrote: 9. Clean URL (Joomla SEF)

Although Keywords in the file name (URL) don’t seem to have a positive effect (based on the German study), a URL with few parameters (?id=123, etc.) is important. Turn on Joomla SEF but don‘t get anal about it.
Barrie, if the mentioned study here is publicly available, can you please give us a link?

It's a really interesting claim. And many people think that clean urls are sooo much important. I'd really want to read about this topic. Thanks.
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by Pentacle » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:59 pm

Thanks a lot. I will surely take a deep look at them.
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by domineaux » Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:44 am

I started a new thread in the lounge discussing the Google, Adsense and SEO issues.   I didn't think is was a best posting for this forums, but I do think the thread is relevant to discussions on SEO.


http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,231964.0.html

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by KonstantinDK » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:30 pm

Two Common Joomla Mistakes!
•  Flash menus. I showed my bias against flash in my last article. Spiders struggle to follow flash. If you really must have flash navigation, then you need to include some plain old text links somewhere on the page. An easy way to do this is in the footer. Go to /includes/footer.php and add your links there. They will then turn up on every page, easy eh?


Avoid JavaScript when Possible: Though JavaScript menus are very popular, they disable crawlers from accessing those links. Most, well-indexed Web sites incorporate text-based links primarily because they are search engine friendly. If necessary, JavaScript should be referenced externally.
Mmm... Can you give a short explanation for noobs like me? If I have sliding menu. i understand how to put links in footer. php But do you mean just plain links like http://example.com? :-\
And about referencing java scripts externally: do I need to read a whole book to even understand what that mean or that footer,php thing will work? ???

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by j0s3 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:07 am

this is turning into a great thread!

thanks compass for your top 10 (i learned something new - internal links!)
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by compass » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:14 pm

KonstantinDK wrote: Mmm... Can you give a short explanation for noobs like me? If I have sliding menu. i understand how to put links in footer. php But do you mean just plain links like http://example.com? :-\
And about referencing java scripts externally: do I need to read a whole book to even understand what that mean or that footer,php thing will work? ???
To put it in a nutshell, Google spiders can't use flash or javascript. So, turn off those in your browser and then see what you site looks like. If you can't see the links, neither can Google.

You can also use a spider tool like:
http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-tools/spider-test/
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by KonstantinDK » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:46 pm

Thanks a lot. YOu shold put it in your first post! Spider is excellent tool! :pop

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by ediyillam » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:09 pm

thanx for the information.... i was in great need for this.....

Thank You..... ;)

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by j0s3 » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:40 pm

it's much better than the one i was using:

http://www.webuildpages.com/seo-tools/s ... /index.php

incicentally, when i came across this post, i checked out the spider compass showed us and i found it could read my site better than the one i knew about. the site had frame forwarding on so the spiders really struggled to read it, but still i had different results with each tool.

so the question is: which one is closer to a search engine spider?

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by freetemplate » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:01 am

it's very useful ! thanks!
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by efiplus » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:37 am

Superb resource, i deed.
There is an aspect in SEO'ing Joomla that annoys me a lot.
Without patches like JRE-SEF or heavy load mambots JoomSEO, the way Joomla adds keywordas and descriptions to the global values is a complete dead end. Any suggestion to prevent global meta data from loading on each content item?

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by Raetus » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:19 pm

This is great. SEO has always been very hard for me when it comes to Joomla. I am going to give this a thorough read.

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by HighlandWeb » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:21 pm

  ;D Thanks so much for this great info Compass! I see that I have much work to do on my Joomla site now. I did install SEF for my url's and I did do a sitemap for google as well. It was great to learn about the Sandbox etc. Make's alot of sense now.

One quick question. Would it make any sense to have a static content/keyword-rich index.htm page with many static content links and just link to my main index.php joomla site?? Not sure if the extra work will benefit ranking and traffic or not but it's been something I've been thinking of. Thoughts??

Here is my site : http://www.newwheelz.com
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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by jeejeestudio » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:41 am

Super job Compass!
i will try to put in some of your suggestions.

Thanks a lot! ;)

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Re: MiniDoc: An Incomplete Guide to SEO

Post by Daerils » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:47 pm

Some great ideas here, thanks :)
Just one thing - I noticed the Overture tool you mention doesn't seem to be working anymore (it doesn't produce any results no matter what keywords I type in). Ah well, I mostly use the free version of Wordtracker anyway (though it doesn't show bids...).


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