[STARTED] Leadership Team clarification

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[STARTED] Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:37 pm

My idea is to provide information about the various people on the different Leadership teams, and to help clarify who does what. There doesn't seem to be much information about the different people, their specific roles, tasks, responsibilities, or ways to know who is best to contact related to specific topics. It would help the community to feel closer to the leadership, and to better understand the way they fit in to the project.

One possible structure for this information is a directory of the individuals on each team, like short interviews with a standard set of questions and a few specific to that person. It would be nice to organize people first by the leadership team they are on, then to be able to see who is in charge of certain tasks. This should be on the Joomla network too, not OSM. I think a photo would be required too, but would also see the advantage of using some video (but not probably practical).

I can help by helping to setup and conduct interviews to bring the information together.

I'm open to suggestions on how else to do this, but the idea is that the community could benefit greatly from a greater connection and understanding about the leadership team and its individuals.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by alledia » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:04 pm

Thanks Jeremy - essentially you're thinking about a leadership sitemap or organizational chart?
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:09 pm

Perhaps, something that makes it easy for someone like me to see who does what, and then to learn a little bit about them. I often think of the leadership team as 'those people' and I think it would be great to have an understanding of who 'those people' are, what they do, and why they do what they do.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by alledia » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:17 pm

Thanks Jeremy - we're actually creating a spreadsheet at the moment that might help with this idea.

It has most of the information you mention for OSM plus the Community and Production leadership teams.

However, it doesn't include the details for the forum mods, trademark, JED, JRD teams etc.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:32 pm

Thats great, I do hope it would help put more of a face on the leadership of Joomla.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by masterchief » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:59 pm

Hi Jeremy. We have these pages on the main site:

http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla/the- ... -team.html
http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla/the- ... teams.html

Is this the kind of information you are after?
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by brad » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:37 pm

Our new social site will also be perfect to help list/group etc people in a more visible way those working in various different places on our project.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:44 pm

Its a start, but it doesn't tell me what they actually do. It might give a title for some people, some people don't have a title, and it means I don't really know who does what. I see individuals here and there, on the forum, twitter, JED, blogs, and its hard to digest.

I feel this can be improved, and I don't think I have provided the best solution.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by masterchief » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:03 pm

If I were you I'd pick someone to experiment on and produce a proof-of-concept for what you think the general wider community would be interested in :)
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:35 pm

Volunteers? :)
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by brad » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:06 am

I don't want titles, and I don't want people to know what I do that much ;) Once they find out, they never stop hassling me about things they think I can do something about ;)

^ I only half mean that, but you get the picture. Some of us like to stay in the background to allow us to use our time actually doing things, rather than just talking to people and things they want us to do etc etc.. and so the circle goes.

Why is it that important to you to know exactly what certain people are doing? I don't mean people in general overall leadership roles. Just wondering from your point of view why you think this so important.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:42 am

My feelings are as such.

There is a leadership team that exists, but to be honest its hard to know what that team does, and what any individual does. That means, as someone who considers this leadership team to be leading the community I'm involved with, that I don't really know these leaders. That just doesn't seem to fit with the concept of a clear and open community, and I hope that can be improved. I'm not indebted to the method I proposed, just to the idea.

I don't think you should post your contact details. I agree, it should not be something that can be used to hassle or harass people. I know the leadership devotes a lot of time to the project and doesn't need unnecessary burden. However, when someone says they are on leadership and I have no idea what they do for the project, I think it reflects poorly.

I also don't like titles, and I know that many members don't have specific tasks, but many do or many have certain areas of focus. If someone mostly works with the forum, great I'd like to know that. If someone does mostly consulting at meetings, that's fine, but I think the community should have the right to know.

I want to get a feel for these individuals, and not just a list of their accomplishments. A community that feel like it knows it leaders is a community that will grow.

I once saw an awesome company about us page where they listed their employees using a photo, their name, and general role. Then when you rolled over the images it surprised you and switched to another photo of the individual that showed their personality in a goofy photo. That is the kind of thing I think could help, that and color photos on that page. I'm pretty sure we can all find a color photograph these days :)

I hope that further explains my interest in such a concept, and why the idea is important.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by masterchief » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:16 am

I would say talk to the people preparing the community magazine, run with your idea there and make it happen.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:44 am

Perfect example, who does that? What do you and Brad do? (I have ideas, but not everybody does.) I don't think this is a community magazine detail either.

I'm a little tired of running back and forth on this topic and not feeling like the idea is being improved along the way. You guys know much more about the leadership than most of us, which doesn't make you the target audience for the idea. I'd like to see some responses by other members of the community, hopefully they'll drop by soon!
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by brad » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:03 am

I am happy to explain to you more about myself in private. I prefer to share as little personal information and photo's about myself as I can online.

Officially I am just one of the Community Leadership Team, and our areas of responsibility are outlined on Joomla.org via one of those links. As such, if you want to know who is doing what on our project, especially in the Community WG I usually will be able to point you to the right person.
Does that make sense?

Why do you need to know more about what I do specifically? What would it help?
Edit: The extreme is for example me telling people what time I woke up, who I spoke to today, for 17mins I did.. etc etc..

I'm genuinely asking here. I've found the more I share what I do specifically, and more ways I make it easier for people to contact me, the more I end up overloaded with people wanting to talk, share their "If you just do this it would help me so much.." ideas. That leaves me little time to actually do things that I enjoy and make a difference.

PS regarding the community magazine I think it's very clear who looks after that, look here: http://forum.joomla.org/viewforum.php?f=573 you'll notice who has posted the stickies etc.

If you don't know what Andrew does, take a look at the dev Google Group, look at a few threads.. take a look at the 1.5 code, the 1.6 code.. you'll soon get an idea of what he does.

You can't say you didn't know this though.. so I am a little lost as to why you are trying to get us to spell it out like this.. but I'm happy to play along for the moment. You still have my skype details though, happy to talk to you there anytime.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:11 am

Brad and I've chatted on Skype, but I want to clarify per our discussion in hopes others might be able to continue.

I do have a pretty good idea of what Andrew and Brad do, I had meant my question more rhetorically but it appears to not have been well phrased, I apologize for that. I'm not always the most eloquent.

Let me just put the core of the problem as I see it. The leadership team can often appear to be some large 'entity' rather than the individuals that comprise it. Think of it like a corporation instead of as a set of employees. There is a fundamental shift in the mindset when you look at something as a whole, or as a sum of its parts. When you look at the whole, you tend to simplify and overgeneralize, because that is what an entity is designed to do.

My idea of some kind of clarification is aimed at shifting the mindset from thinking about the leadership teams as 'entities' and thinking about the numerous individuals who make up the team. I think it would represent a fundamental change in how the leadership presents itself to the community, and would help remind the community that the leadership is really comprised of individuals like you and I.

Now to the idea specifically, the directory I suggested in the start might not be what is wanted or what will best accomplish the goal I just outlined, but I think its clear that something could be devised and thats why I posted it here to generate further ideas. I probably didn't phrase the topic appropriately, but I hope this sets the tone correctly.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by mlipscomb » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:50 pm

I agree that it would be nice for the general community to "get to know" those in leadership and highly-contributing positions. I do think that all of our community leaders (and everyone else in the community) deserve the respect due to their right of privacy. That being said, at one time in the "grandfather version" of the Community Magazine articles were written that highlighted, once a month or so, someone in a high-contributing position. This was either a spotlight on a member of a team, an administrator or an "Ace" on the forums. I think it is an excellent idea to bring this back and think the best place for it to go is in the magazine.

Take a look at July 2008's Magazine edition: http://community.joomla.org/july-2008.html Here you will see what I am referring to. There is a team spotlight and a forum member spotlight, etc. If done in this same (or similar) manner, then it gives the individual the right to determine what information they want kept private and what information they want to share.

Now - as to organizational charts - I think the best solution would not be a "who-does-what" organizational chart, but a what-team-does-what. Though a lot of them can be self-explanatory, an idea of what that teams "role" is in the community can be very beneficial. If you look at The Team link on the forum: http://forum.joomla.org/memberlist.php?mode=leaders you can get a general idea, but going a step further and having a directory or showcase or document of teams and their descriptions/functions would be pretty cool to see.

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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by alledia » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:52 pm

Thanks Jeremy - I too can understand the feeling but am also not sure we've put our finger on the best way to resolve this.

A single-flowchart of the whole set-up might make things clearer for you?
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:40 pm

I think a flowchart or some kind of basic structural document would be nice, but I don't see it as the only solution. I suppose its more than just a 'do XYZ to fix it', its also 'what other ways can we increase awareness about the leadership team'.

However in short, an organization flowchart would help me (and hopefully others) what channels things go through.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by timothy.stiffler » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:31 am

I do agree with Jeremy's points made above, and also think that a flow-chart of sorts would be valuable. One thing that I have run into several times is just picking a leader that I already have contact with and asking them questions, whether or not it is their specific area of expertise. Brad and Andrew may be able to attest to this, but I'm sure many times they reply to people by saying 'Oh, talk to *this person* cause they're in charge of that'.

Better descriptions of leaders would help point people in the right direction with their questions, and I believe, save the leaders more time.

Let's face it, guys, people in the community know your names as leading community members. What they don't know is that there are interests that you have and will be glad to help them with, and other lesser-known leaders that are more qualified to deal with other problems.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by alledia » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:53 pm

Hi Jeremy ... tell you what, if you figure out how a layout that would help explain things better, I'll help you track down and assemble the information.

Have a think about it, then let's do it.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by alledia » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:28 pm

Hi Jeremy

An organization flowchart sounds like a good idea. If you're willing to put in the time, Wendy and myself will help you track down the info needed and get it done.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:43 pm

Hi Steve,

Thanks, I'm willing to help. I need a couple days to focus on some other work first, so I'll get a bit more detail on the structure and get back to you.

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Re: Leadership Team clarification

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Sounds good. No problem on the time. I'm at the CMSExpo until next Thursday anyway.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by PCfirestorm » Thu May 06, 2010 7:27 pm

This would be great to have on the "about" page not in a social network or wiki. Gnome please correst me if I wrong, but I see him asking more of a job description not a bio about the person.

title: Web Community Manager
responsibilities: The Community Manager is responsibly for the organizing and mainting the main Joomla!.com website. They oversee all aspects of j.org and all sub domains. ...

once this description is written and known if the person ever changes all you would have to do is plug in a new picture and short bio, but everyone would be very clear on what they do or dont do.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by alledia » Thu May 06, 2010 7:52 pm

How about something like this? ;)

Joomla Team Sitemap Organizers: Jeremy and Steven

Helpers: Steve, Wendy and others

One thing to note is that the organization is sometimes a do-ocracy. People jump in to help where needed. Perhaps clear ideas on how to contact different project teams should be included.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by himanshu981 » Thu May 06, 2010 8:08 pm

Perfect Idea!

I can put my efforts in designing aspect like compiling of Data or Sitemap Creation, Graphs etc.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by jeremywilken » Thu May 06, 2010 9:15 pm

I went ahead and put together something concrete to use as a discussion base. Its basically a sheet that has a few parts. First, it lists the members of the team, I use Community Leadership Team as an example. Then it provides a listing of the general duties and responsibilities. I've just put in dummy information for the moment.

Then there is a section with some 'information you should know', which I think needs more information than what I have.

Lastly, the bottom shows a basic flow of how an idea becomes reality (think I'm just a bill, on capitol hill, if you watch school house rock). Its obviously not going to cover all aspects, but it should be expanded to include the entire process. I know not everything goes through such a neat process, and it would ideally be able to provide some insight into the regular methods.

In this implementation, I have avoided putting anything personal about the members. I think the idea here will be to focus on the way the team works, which is a bit of a deviation from some of the original thoughts. I want to keep it clear and focused, and something that doesn't need maintenance in this design.
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Re: Leadership Team clarification

Post by masterchief » Thu May 06, 2010 9:28 pm

Looks great Jeremy.
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