Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

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Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by diavolo32 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 9:48 pm

The problem of Joomla! and their migration has a point of ignorance that representatives of Joomla! talking on the forum or speak about no matter that there is migration not taken into account because: 1.5 update is not necessary because it is robust and is in force, or because they leave to 3PD, is a problem of marketing and communications.

When you offer a product expectations, after a year of betas, and all the rest of the community works with 1.5 because the betas, I remember, not for active sites but to test, say that there is no possibility of existing websites with 1.5 can migrate or upgrade easily and securely generate frustration.

Especially since we are talking about open source. There are a thousand examples of the development of Joomla! and good reasons for that 1.6 is so different. Okay. But are not aware that 90% of end users do not look the Joomla development blog! because they are not developers is to loop the loop. So, logically, advertisements, notices that it was ready the final version and that there is no possibility of improving Web sites is frustrating.

Background and leaves an aura of bad planning. Another thing would be an article saying: Gentlemen, pass this and this development goes through gradual changes, we regret that you can not migrate but we have good reasons and then publish it in the frontpage. Clear. And then said: does anybody wants to help in a project to create a migration for 1.5 users? Maybe someone would like to help and do it.

And the answer is: no defeat, no need to update today. The consumer and user of software is compulsive. I want the best. They are modern times. And besides, I can not imagine Steve Jobs announced improvements in their software for PDA or Iphone only work on their latest models and have substantial improvements. What do you do with the consumer who bought the iPhone last year and this year hoping that carries the improvement. No, sorry, this much-anticipated launch, so hopeful, developed so good, you will not be able to use. I am very sorry: buy yourself another iPhone. The distances, it is clear that this unrest could have been avoided by asking the right things first raised, as they are, honestly, and then focus on the product, Joomla!, users, which is what people always complain and why love open source. Yes, a few with a talent for computer help an entire community. Right. Of course there would be nothing without them. But the first time and took two years in the forum, that a given group of members to criticize a policy of action of the "business", do not like. Well have to get used to criticism and that projects can fail. Or that do not. For the humbling start soon because we love Joomla! and my version of 1.6 I'm testing is wonderful and my 1.5 community thinks: why don't you use Joomla! 1.6, is better. Well, that's the question. Or is not better? ;)
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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by ranwilli » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:25 am

There is at least one group working on a migration script.
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Post by sem-seo » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:00 pm

Awesome... let's hope the Extension Designers will do so as well, as the best migration plugin will be worth nothing if your extensions or your template won't work on 1.6
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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by diavolo32 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:26 pm

After all this debate, in the end I donated $ 10 to the Joomla! a few minutes ago. Well, they are not going to make them rich, but at least for coffees while they fight against code :D . Joomla! is a product that I love and I see that there is even a tutorial on the wiki. Well, hope all goes right.

I have previously helped with the translation of Kunena forum, from English to Spanish. Sometimes you can do small things for open source projects you participate. Is a feeling of be a part of something big. :D

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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by trouble » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:28 pm

As much as we all have divided opinions on this, it does seem people are getting involved, filing the gaps, and joining together to work something out for the better in true Open Source fashion :D

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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by zigzag » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:19 pm

There shouldn't be any need for an upgrade script, it was the same fiasco with the 1x version. Joomla should be Joomla - meaning that you should be able to upgrade from previous versions, this is what most people would expect. The biggest problem with Joomla is that some bright spark decided a long time ago to make Joomla 1.5 a completely different cms to the 1x version. After 1.5 was born and even brighter spark decided to make another completely different cms and call it Joomla 1.6.

As with 1x I would imagine that 1.5 will only be supported for a year or so and then binned, there will be no upgrade path but by then someone will have produced an almost usable 'migration' script. Also extension and template providers will rapidly stop supporting their 1.5x products now that 1.6 is out forcing users to switch.

This is Joomla's biggest failing, it makes it almost unusable for big sites as the level of work entailed is astronomical each time this happens and site owners are left with no choice but to migrate to the latest 'version' or migrate away to a different cms.

I've heard all the wailing about Joomla being free and open source and while this is true to an extent there is also a sizeable industry built around it that is making money from a vast array of commercial extensions and templates, and a large number of Joomla 'specialists' who are probably grinning from ear to ear right now with all that money to be made from desperate site owners wanting to upgrade.

While we're grateful for Joomla the developers should bear in mind that it's no good developing a product that no one wants or which just isn't practical.

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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by ranwilli » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:42 pm

I don't agree with any of that. I applaud the developers for having the courage to abandon code for better code and design...

In my opinion, the gain was worth the migration pain at 1.5, and I truly hope it's the same this time.
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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by diavolo32 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:48 pm

zigzag wrote:There shouldn't be any need for an upgrade script, it was the same fiasco with the 1x version. Joomla should be Joomla - meaning that you should be able to upgrade from previous versions, this is what most people would expect. The biggest problem with Joomla is that some bright spark decided a long time ago to make Joomla 1.5 a completely different cms to the 1x version. After 1.5 was born and even brighter spark decided to make another completely different cms and call it Joomla 1.6.

As with 1x I would imagine that 1.5 will only be supported for a year or so and then binned, there will be no upgrade path but by then someone will have produced an almost usable 'migration' script. Also extension and template providers will rapidly stop supporting their 1.5x products now that 1.6 is out forcing users to switch.

This is Joomla's biggest failing, it makes it almost unusable for big sites as the level of work entailed is astronomical each time this happens and site owners are left with no choice but to migrate to the latest 'version' or migrate away to a different cms.

I've heard all the wailing about Joomla being free and open source and while this is true to an extent there is also a sizeable industry built around it that is making money from a vast array of commercial extensions and templates, and a large number of Joomla 'specialists' who are probably grinning from ear to ear right now with all that money to be made from desperate site owners wanting to upgrade.

While we're grateful for Joomla the developers should bear in mind that it's no good developing a product that no one wants or which just isn't practical.
Yes, you're right, is one of the four or five comments i read and think: why developers don't think about it. I donate them some coffee, but that's really a way people left Joomla! and goes for another CMS. People sustents everything: if people don't use a thing, it's like it doesn't exists. And of course, there's a lot of commercial extensions and specialists who are grinning. ;)
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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by sem-seo » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:51 am

ranwilli wrote:I don't agree with any of that. I applaud the developers for having the courage to abandon code for better code and design...

In my opinion, the gain was worth the migration pain at 1.5, and I truly hope it's the same this time.
I am totally with you... there is no sence in upgrading the upgrade of an upgrade without getting rid off utterly useless stuff. Otherwise we could call it mambo 4.0
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Post by headgoneinc » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:45 pm

I have done something that's working so far.
1. I got users accounts over
2. I got articles in their category but working on getting the actual content over. For some reason the actual content is not getting added.

Hope to find what's blocking the content of the articles then I guess I can post it here, it might help some people.

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Post by brad » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:46 pm

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Post by ranwilli » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:01 pm

Brad knows ALL the good stuff.

Thanks, man!
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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by headgoneinc » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:16 pm

that video for Jupgrade looks nice, but I figured it out, sure do looks easy tho in that vid.

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Re: Joomla 1.6 migration, the expectations about 1.5 to 1.6?

Post by headgoneinc » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:55 pm

got mines done so far.. by editing the database.
don't really trust everything with my contacts.
but looks good and easy.


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