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"Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby sozzled » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:29 am

There is a http://templates.joomla.org website; it's been under construction for the past six months. It's purpose is
a place for users to find Joomla templates
The idea seems to have been floating around for the past 5 years but it's never gotten much further than a solution looking for a problem.

Without knowing much more than what we've read in a few reports—the JTD team is still active—it looks like this service will complement (but sit apart from) the JED. The objective is for JTD to be realisedaround Q3 of this year (i.e. June/July 2018 onwards)

I'm not complaining but I am questioning why there is a need for a Joomla-sanctioned/approved listing of templates. We know that most of the big names in Joomla template design have their own listings, support, etc. We know that people tend to choose a template based on their experience with a certain company and those companies have invested heavily into developing template frameworks (e.g. Gantry, Warp, T3, Helix, Vertex, among others). These companies are unlikely to benefit greatly by advertising their wares on a Joomla Template Directory.

Even the smaller/boutique template developers are able to bring their products to market by advertising on the dozens of template sites that exist on the internet.

The two places where joomla.org is a leader in ensuring that third-party products meet rigorous standards are the Joomla Extensions Directory and the Vulnerable Extensions List.

Given that there are hundreds of markets for people to choose a template for their website—albeit with varying degrees of reputation—why is OSM backing a "template directory" listing idea? Is OSM suggesting, perhaps, that templates that are not listed on the JTD are not rigorous in meeting customer expectations? Are we to infer, perhaps, that if a template is not listed on the JTD then it's not safe, reliable, usable? ???

I'm posting this topic in the Sites & Infrastructure - Feedback/Information category because my thoughts relate to the existence of the Templates.Joomla.org - Feedback/Information category that has largely sat idle for 5 years except for the trickle of spam and the occasional "are we there yet" enquiry. Until such time as a JTD emerges from its cocoon (if that should ever happen), my suggestion is to remove the Sites & Infrastructure - Feedback/Information from the forum; its continued existence is an embarrassment.

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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby ot2sen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:39 pm

They did an official call for volunteers last week to get new Template Directory finalised.
https://twitter.com/joomla/status/975724035727331328

Help Wanted! We are looking for members for the #Joomla! Template Directory to help get the portal finished and policy & documentation managers. Can you help?
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You can follow their reports at their team page at https://volunteers.joomla.org/teams/tem ... ctory-team
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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby sozzled » Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:38 pm

I'll be very brief and to the point.

I don't support a templates.joomla.org portal. I don't feel it will add value to what people are able to obtain via Google. Furthermore, it begs the question of whether the proposal has the support from the major players in Joomla template development who already have their own successful market places where their products are available and support given to their customers.

This idea has more potential to divide the community between those who use the templates.joomla.org portal and those who don't.

As I wrote at the beginning: this looks like a solution looking for a problem.

After five years of discussion, and the apparent disappearance of support from the OSM board (read the past few reports and you'll see what I mean), I feel that OSM's resources could be put to better use if the JTD was wound up.
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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby ot2sen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:16 pm

Understand your point of view, really do :)

On the other hand, if there are volunteers who are truly engaged in making this happen then I also do see the potential in how it could help the users of joomla. Not necessarily how it help template providers, but how it help users to easily find new looks for their websites and thereby better understand the true power of a CMS.

People in the forum, at FB, at twitter, and other resources too often ask the million dollar question "where to find templates". Would be nice to just say, go to templates.joomla.org
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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby sozzled » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:37 pm

Thanks and, if templates.joomla.org was merely an unfiltered list (without any implied warranty or endorsement), then I would agree. It shouldn't require any tremendous effort to allow anyone to "advertise" anything on a facility such as that.

However, as soon as a portal exists that carries the Joomla brand, there's an implicit endorsement by the community that

1) listed products are compliant with the latest standards in Joomla software development;
2) the portal allows for a "complaints" department in connection with operational problems when they occur;
3) defective, suspicious or vulnerable products are referred to the VEL (perhaps);
4) listed products may be "better" than products not appearing on the portal;
5) the majority of Joomla users approve of, and will use, the portal; and
6) listed products are reliable, robust and compatible with Joomla.

I haven't seen any policy in relation to the points that I've made apart from the generalised purpose that templates.joomla.org will be
a place for users to find Joomla templates
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Postby ot2sen » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:59 pm

Yes, a good list. Visitors should expect that.

Concerning the policy you lack seeing, look above in my first reply, they call for volunteer managers of policy and documentation. Go for it ;)
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Postby mbabker » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:03 pm

sozzled wrote:there's an implicit endorsement by the community that

1) listed products are compliant with the latest standards in Joomla software development;
2) the portal allows for a "complaints" department in connection with operational problems when they occur;
3) defective, suspicious or vulnerable products are referred to the VEL (perhaps);
4) listed products may be "better" than products not appearing on the portal;
5) the majority of Joomla users approve of, and will use, the portal; and
6) listed products are reliable, robust and compatible with Joomla.

I haven't seen any policy in relation to the points that I've made apart from the generalised purpose that templates.joomla.org will be
a place for users to find Joomla templates


The JED doesn't make that guarantee, and anyone who says that a JED listing includes those endorsements is honestly just trying to play the "well it's listed on joomla.org so it's gotta be good" card. If there were a team akin to the WordPress plugins and/or themes directory managers in place it'd be another argument.

On a personal level, I'm more annoyed that we're developing yet another directory system, based on yet another underlying platform (seriously, every JxD uses a different backbone, because inconsistency FTW), spending resources on something that's not a real problem, and spending resources on something that already exists (umm, there is an extension directory which should've been the model for this just modifying some listing detail internals, but no, we had to go and write yet another directory system) whereas we still use that hunk of crap JoomlaCode to serve our language system downloads and sometimes I feel certain American politicians have a higher approval rating than that system has uptime percentage.
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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby mandville » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:05 pm

perhaps just redirect the TJO url to http://lmgtfy.com/?q=joomla+template
and arent template just extensions.. sooo...
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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby sozzled » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:07 pm

I could reply that, if I were to volunteer to write policy for the JTD, I might expect my airfare to attend the next meeting at J&B to be paid as part of that service, eh? ;)

But, seriously, these objectives should clearly be stated even in the rough form as I listed them ... and they haven't been stated as far as I can tell.

While it may have been a good idea at the time (and that time was probably before 2010 when J! 1.5 was in its heyday), that time has passed. It's not hard for people to find Joomla templates: people use Google all the time. 8)
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Re: "Templates.Joomla.org"

Postby sozzled » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:10 pm

@mbabker: I agree with you that the JED makes no warranty in relation to fitness-for-purpose but there there's an [kind of] "endorsement" by the JED (whether expressly stated or implied) in relation to the six points that I mentioned.

I should add: thanks for your support and thanks, too, to @mandville. :)
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