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Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Ewoudb » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:34 pm

Wow....Joomla 3.0 is already coming out? That is very fast in my opinion :eek: I think that a lot of people are still using joomla 1.5. But respect for the developers of joomla!
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:54 pm

I'm building a brand new site. Should I launch a Joomla 2.5 site or a 3.0 site?
Launch a 2.5 site if you want the most stable that Joomla has to offer and/or possibly if you plan on using many extensions. Launch a 3.0 site if all the extensions that you plan to use are Joomla 3.0 compatible.
Contradicts the statement on the download page
Joomla 3.0 is recommended for more experienced users and developers
The 3.x series will have about 3 years of support as well. 3.0 to 3.1 to 3.5
Is misleading because 3.0 is STS not 3 years. 2.5 and 3.5 are LTS
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https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by 219jondn » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:11 pm

@webdongle - it's important to read the actual text here.

3.x != 3.0

3.x includes 3.0, 3.1, and 3.5 - which, combined (the "3 series") have roughly 3 years of continuous support. Couple that with the fact that the goal is to make intermediate updates with relatively few groundbreaking (or site-breaking) changes, and the idea is that anyone starting on 3.0 will have a relatively smooth 3 years through the lifetime of the 3.x series - through to EOL of 3.5
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:16 pm

@219jondn

Yes, I get that ... but still think it is misleading and could be explained in more detail.
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Nick Savov » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:01 pm

The use of the word "series", along with the preceding paragraph and the succeeding sentence, clarifies it plenty in my opinion. Adding too much detail might be more confusing for a lot of regular users. Let me know if you can improve the text though.

As to contradicting the download page, the download page should be updated appropriately in my opinion :P

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:09 pm

Nick Savov wrote:...
As to contradicting the download page, the download page should be updated appropriately in my opinion :P
...
What would have the download site say ?
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Nick Savov » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:31 pm

Something along the lines of what the FAQ says :)

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:12 pm

So you are saying that "Joomla 3.0 is recommended for more experienced users and developers." is not correct ?

I am not knocking the Article ... it is very well written and contains a lot of good info. And I'm not saying which is incorrect (the download page or the Article). Just saying that they appear to contradict each other a little.

Perhaps something at the start of the Article that states that if a non experienced user upgrades a live site from 2.5 to 3.x then 99.99999% of the time they will break their site ? Or perhaps the 'Should I update from 2.5?' section should be at the top (or just after 'What are the major differences between Joomla 2.5 and 3.0?' section)

As you can see from the forum posts there are many users breaking their live site by upgrading it. Despite the warning on the download page ... despite the fact that the Joomla upgrade option is set 'LTS' They still go ahead and break it.

Also we know that the inexperienced users rarely have a backup.
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Nick Savov » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:51 pm

Webdongle wrote:So you are saying that "Joomla 3.0 is recommended for more experienced users and developers." is not correct ?
Yes, as stated in the FAQ:
Launch a 2.5 site if you want the most stable that Joomla has to offer and/or possibly if you plan on using many extensions. Launch a 3.0 site if all the extensions that you plan to use are Joomla 3.0 compatible. Only some template providers or the extension vendors will be ready for Joomla 3.0 at launching, however most will not be ready until days, weeks or months after. (See the “How do I find Joomla 3.0 compatible extensions?” FAQ for more information)
I feel that the FAQ is better advice than simply stating "Joomla 3.0 is recommended for more experienced users and developers.".
Webdongle wrote:I am not knocking the Article ... it is very well written and contains a lot of good info. And I'm not saying which is incorrect (the download page or the Article). Just saying that they appear to contradict each other a little.
Agreed. The text for the download page didn't go through a true consensus process, as the FAQ did. There were several objections to the download page text when it was written, but for whatever reason, the text didn't get changed at that time.
Webdongle wrote:Perhaps something at the start of the Article that states that if a non experienced user upgrades a live site from 2.5 to 3.x then 99.99999% of the time they will break their site ?
But that's not necessarily true.
Webdongle wrote:Or perhaps the 'Should I update from 2.5?' section should be at the top (or just after 'What are the major differences between Joomla 2.5 and 3.0?' section)
That might be. Any thoughts from anyone else on that?
Webdongle wrote:As you can see from the forum posts there are many users breaking their live site by upgrading it. Despite the warning on the download page ... despite the fact that the Joomla upgrade option is set 'LTS' They still go ahead and break it.

Also we know that the inexperienced users rarely have a backup.
The best prevention, in my opinion, is at the code level. Check out:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/j ... K_odOtrqsJ

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by JimmyBelgate » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:40 pm

Hi everyone,

I have a question. It's maybe dumb, but from the weblog post I understand that Joomla 3.0 supports also mobile devices. Then, I will definitely use it for my CHI stijltang website.

So, from what I understand is when you use Joomla! as an CMS, then your website automatically adjust for proper use on mobile devices?

Or, should the template that I will use support mobile devices?
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:45 pm

JimmyBelgate wrote:...
I have a question. It's maybe dumb, but from the weblog post I understand that Joomla 3.0 supports also mobile devices.
...
Where do I say that ?
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by silvereagle » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:59 am

Webdongle wrote:
I'm building a brand new site. Should I launch a Joomla 2.5 site or a 3.0 site?
Launch a 2.5 site if you want the most stable that Joomla has to offer and/or possibly if you plan on using many extensions. Launch a 3.0 site if all the extensions that you plan to use are Joomla 3.0 compatible.
Contradicts the statement on the download page
Joomla 3.0 is recommended for more experienced users and developers
The 3.x series will have about 3 years of support as well. 3.0 to 3.1 to 3.5
Is misleading because 3.0 is STS not 3 years. 2.5 and 3.5 are LTS
A 3.0 would be better of course.

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by brad » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:03 am

silvereagle wrote: A 3.0 would be better of course.
Why do you say that?
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by silvereagle » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:14 am

Extensive work on code style standardisation and consistency
Incorporation of Bootstrap into a jui media package.
A new responsive administrator template Isis and interface.
A new frontend template Protostar built using Bootstrap and updated accessible template called Beez3
PostgreSQL Driver.
PHP Memcached Driver
Use of JFeed for feed management rather than SimplePie
Installation of language packages directly from the extension manager
Guest user group present by default
Saving blank articles allowed
New administrator statistics module
Continued clean up of older unused code, files and database fields and tables and improved standardization of tables.
Improvements to Smart Search
Unit testing in the CMS
Updated system tests in the CMS

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by brad » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:18 am

silvereagle, you just reposted some of the new features in Joomla 3.0.
Please ensure your posts add value to our community and are not just to boost your post count.
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by silvereagle » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:24 am

ok brad, I will do that

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Ruud78 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:48 pm

Is 3.0 stil for more experienced users and developers or can noobs work with it too?

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:05 pm

IMHO J3 is best for experienced if building a new site because 3rd party extensions are limited. However if newbies are just wishing to learn Joomla and not wanting to build a site yet, then give J3 a try now. Later if you wish to build a site then you can decide if J3 will be what you need. There are a lot of extensions being developed for J3 but to achieve some effects a few work arounds are needed.
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
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Post by Ruud78 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:22 pm

Great.
Thanks webdongle

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by AsM94 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:55 pm

Installed the Joomla 3.0 a few days ago. It looks quite elegant, but I stick with 2.5 untill there is no support for the 2.5, because I know every single thing on my fingertips!

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by hashimji12 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:01 pm

i tried joomla 3 and rolled back to 2.5 because of the perfectness of 2.5. v3 have to improve more.

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by kqbd » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:20 am

I have a 2.5 Joomla web site running (2 years already), with alot plugin, If i update to Joomla 3, is it has any problem or not ? I wish update but I'm affrai some plugin cannot work.

Need you pro advice. Thanks

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Tonie » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:45 am

The safest way is to backup your website, and restore is locally, on your PC for example. Then do the upgrade there and see what happens. This way, you will know what happens when you upgrade.

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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by Webdongle » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:49 am

http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions ... ackup/1606 will make it easy to backup your whole site.
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Re: Joomla! 3.0 FAQ

Post by alikon » Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:40 am

make sure to replicate exactly your live site configuration to be quite sure of the test result
otherwise some strange things may happen
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