Permissions Locked / Not being Allowed

[Brian335]

I seem to be having an issue with Joomla 3.7.2 and possibly earlier.

Up until now my Authors have had permission to Edit their own pages and this has worked successfully for a number of years but suddenly they are locked out and I cannot seem to be able to get them back in.

My authors are members of The Registered and Author Groups and are named as the authors of their respective pages.

In the Global Configuration screen the Authors have been set to Allowed but the Calculated setting is coming up as 'Not Allowed (Locked)' which suggests to me that there is some setting I am not aware of.

Can anyone throw any light on this please?

Thanks,

Brian

[Webdongle]

Author inherits Permissions from it's Parent (default is Registered) ... so the Parent user group has the setting Denied.

N.B.
The fact that a user is in Registered and Author has no relation to the Permissions that Author user group inherits.

[Brian335]

Hmm, some of the calculated settings say Not Allowed (Inherited) and some -most- say Not Allowed (Locked).

The fact is that if I set Registered to Allow edits, which I don't want to do, it doesn't change the calculated permission for Authors which still say Not Allowed (Locked).

I need some way of unlocking these permissions.

I have read https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Access_Con ... t_Tutorial several times but it doesn't seem to help. I am trying to affect what the Author can do, not what he can see and can't understand why the settings have suddenly changed.

Brian

[Webdongle]

Hmm, some of the calculated settings say Not Allowed (Inherited) and some -most- say Not Allowed (Locked). ...

Both Not Allowed (Inherited) and Not Allowed (Locked) are inherited from the Parent (or Parent's Parent)
Not Allowed (Inherited) ... is a 'soft' setting it should be possible to change that setting
Not Allowed (Locked) ... is a 'hard' setting and is because it's Parent (or Parent's Parent) has the 'Denied' setting.

Either you have got your 'User Group' hierarchy confused or you have a 3rd party extension that is interfering with Joomla's ACL

[Per Yngve Berg]

Remove the permission from the Registered Group, not set it to denied.

[Brian335]

Per, Thanks for replying. I have checked and no User Group has anything set to denied but I did check via System/ Global Configuration>Users>Permissions Tab and found that Edit was not set for Registered Users. Setting it to Inherited seems to have done the trick somehow.

Brian

[Webdongle]

... and found that Edit was not set for Registered Users. Setting it to Inherited seems to have done the trick somehow.
...

Yes because

Author inherits Permissions from it's Parent (default is Registered) ... so the Parent user group has the setting Denied....

and

Both Not Allowed (Inherited) and Not Allowed (Locked) are inherited from the Parent (or Parent's Parent)
Not Allowed (Inherited) ... is a 'soft' setting it should be possible to change that setting
Not Allowed (Locked) ... is a 'hard' setting and is because it's Parent (or Parent's Parent) has the 'Denied' setting.

and

Remove the permission from the Registered Group, not set it to denied.

So setting setting it Inherited will allow the child Permissions to be altered.

[sozzled]

Up until now my Authors have had permission to edit their own pages and this has worked successfully for a number of years but suddenly they are locked out and I cannot seem to be able to get them back in.

The standard/default [Edit Own] permission for Authors allows members of this usergroup to create new content and to edit their own articles, yes.

In the Global Configuration screen the [permission for Edit Own for] Authors [is] ... set to Allowed ...

This is also the standard/default setting. The fact that this setting was calculated differently indicates that there was a change to the parent group (i.e. Registered). Knowing that Joomla's ACLs propagate "downwards" helps people to debug the settings, i.e. start at the parent group and work down the group tree-structure.

I checked ... [the] System » Global Configuration » Permissions tab and found that Edit was not set for Registered users.

The Edit setting does not play any role in allowing Authors to edit their own articles; this setting controls whether members of a usergroup can edit someone else's article; the related setting is Edit Own. With the exception of Site Login, all the settings for Registered should be "Inherited".

Generally-speaking the default values for usergroups do not need to be changed; if people change Joomla's ACL settings from the default values then there may be unforeseen or unintended consequences. Anyway, it's good to read that you've resolved your problems fairly easily.

[IDontByte]

I'm having this problem with one of my web sites - the other is working fine - and I can't see the difference.
The attached images are snapshots of the Global Permissions Configuration and the User Permissions Configuration.
I'm afraid that I don't really understand what's going on!! The Global Config.says that the permissions are inherited, where from? I thought this should be the top level.
I can use this sort of stuff after years in IT, but I'd be grateful for any help to be in plain English! Sorry!
Very many thanks for any help available.
David

[Per Yngve Berg]

Public is a parent group of Registered.

[sozzled]

To add to what @Per has written, see https://docs.joomla.org/Help38:Users_Groups (and compare the image in that article).

[renu1975]

Hi,

I am not able to edit or save any changes in any module, articals or even in permission settings.
Nothing happens after clicking on Save / Save & Close / Close buttons
I was working fine till last Saturday.

Using Joomla version 3.4.1

[sozzled]

@renu1975: What happened (or what changed) on Saturday?

[renu1975]

my website www.goshenchurchnewdelhi.in
when I checking logs under joomla30/logs/joomla_update.php

it showing me 3 activities on 19 March
1. Update started by user goshenchurchnewdelhi (994). old version is 3.4.1
2. downloading update file from https://downloads.joomla.org/cms/joomla ... ackage.zip
3. File Joomla_3.65.-Stable-Updaate_Package.zip successfully downloaded
4. Starting installation of new version

[sozzled]

Please post the Forum Post Assistant report to this topic.

[renu1975]

I am not clear with Forum Post Assistant report. Please help with the solution for the issue I am facing - Save/Save&Close/ Cancel no button working

[renu1975]

In administrator/index.php site we are getting error uncaught reference error Joomla is not defined

[JAVesey]

my website http://www.goshenchurchnewdelhi.in
when I checking logs under joomla30/logs/joomla_update.php

it showing me 3 activities on 19 March
1. Update started by user goshenchurchnewdelhi (994). old version is 3.4.1
2. downloading update file from https://downloads.joomla.org/cms/joomla ... ackage.zip
3. File Joomla_3.65.-Stable-Updaate_Package.zip successfully downloaded
4. Starting installation of new version

1. Does the joomla_update.php file show that your update was completed successfully? Look at the last line of the file.
2. Have you cleared both your site and browser caches properly after the update?
3. Why are you updating to v3.6.5? We are on v3.8.6 currently.

[sozzled]

I am not clear with Forum Post Assistant report. Please help with the solution for the issue I am facing ...

I don't think anyone can "help with the solution for the issue" until you familiarise yourself with Forum Post Assistant tool. It's your decision: no report = no help.