Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

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Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by Sukinoz » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:21 pm

As a client/webmaster of Joomla! (not developer), i have created and managed several Joomla Sites (like magazines, thematic portals...) and I use always the Joomla native articles... instead of CCK (content construction kit)

I dont like using third party CCK (like k2 or Flexicontent) because of the subsequent problem of looking for extensions with the "k2 compatible" tag or the "flexicontent plugin avalaible"... (if you have used a joomla CCK anytime, you know what i am talking about, and the problem when you like an extension, but not supports your CCK... :'( )

So, when i saw "Joomla Custom Fields" for first time i fall in love... :pop

I read that Joomla Custom Fields were based in DPFields, and i read in it's webpage "DPFields: The CCK you want" (https://joomla.digital-peak.com/products/dpfields)

I thought that CCK would be, at least, native in Joomla!

...but after that I have seen developers of Joomla saying than Joomla Custom Fields are not a CCK...
https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/issues/14719
coolcat-creations commented on 19 Mar
It will probably never be possible to search / filter by field, due to performance issues. Fields are not a CCK...
mbabker commented on 19 Mar
Fields can't be used for filters on list views. That requires CCK type architecture that is not supported.
So, can anyone explain me if "Joomla Custom Fields" are (or will be) a CCK? or simply... Have "Joomla Custom Fields" a real future as CCK or they have been born dead?

(Of course, my respects and admiration for all people who works hard for Joomla!)

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by effrit » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:06 am

If you make simple catalog (magazine and thematic portal too) without filter - native fields will be OK.
But if it about making real estate site with flexible filter and search system - it will be problem.
The CCK extensions are planned to be flexible and user-search friendly, but additional fields are just upgrade of old articles system.

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by Sukinoz » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:35 am

effrit wrote:If you make simple catalog (magazine and thematic portal too) without filter - native fields will be OK.
But if it about making real estate site with flexible filter and search system - it will be problem.
The CCK extensions are planned to be flexible and user-search friendly, but additional fields are just upgrade of old articles system.
Hi @effrit , thanks for replaying.

Do you mean Custom Fields are not "flexible and user-search friendly"? Why?

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by effrit » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:12 pm

Because for fast search you must have special MySQL structure of data and / or additions tables there data duplicated for special MySQL-request.
It's not a problem if you have 50 articles and 50 users / per day, but if become 1000 and 1000 your server will be shut down.

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by Sukinoz » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:11 pm

effrit wrote:Because for fast search you must have special MySQL structure of data and / or additions tables there data duplicated for special MySQL-request.
It's not a problem if you have 50 articles and 50 users / per day, but if become 1000 and 1000 your server will be shut down.
Ok effrit, I understand. Thanks for your explication.

So, Joomla Custom Fields have not been designed with this "special MySQL structure"?! :(

Anyone knows why? Could be solved in future? ???



PD: Maybe a third party component should take advantage of this lack and solve it? In this case, an Advanced Custom Fields Manager is the request! :pop

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by effrit » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:35 pm

in fact, you have one.
but its not simple solution but professional tool, so you must learn a lot.
https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/seblod/

and for simple alternatives, i guess, current implementation of fields is funeral.
i use one of it by myself but author will not continue develop it...

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by Sukinoz » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:16 pm

effrit wrote:in fact, you have one.
but its not simple solution but professional tool, so you must learn a lot.
https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/seblod/
Thanks. I have seen it for a while... It is amazing and it use com_content...

But it inserts a lot of "seblod code" like “::cck::104::/cck:: ::introtext::. So, if for example you want to use an extension for articles carrusel (for example, like BT Content Slider), you will get this code visible!

But yes, it is very powerful! Thanks for sharing

So, in conclusion
- K2 and similar, not use joomla core content...
- SEBLOD too complicated (and inserts code)
- And Joomla Custom Fields too simple... :'( ha ha ha

Maybe https://www.easylayouts.net/ is in the "good" direction...

PD:
effrit wrote:And for simple alternatives, i guess, current implementation of fields is funeral.
Sorry, "funeral" means "dead ceremony"? I think i dont understand what you mean :eek: this...)

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by effrit » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:34 pm

I mean what authors of any other similar custom fields extensions now have not motivation to support and improve their extensions because "chosen one" was implemented in core.

So, yes, situation is funny and sad in same time.

And i guess it will be worse.
Because some developers are tried already make filters for native fields.
And then they hit a performance barrier, they will create some solutions, like system plugins what will be save copy of fields data in another databases tables.

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by jonBuckner1 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:34 am

I think to be truly 100% Joomla compatible you need to create components rather than extend with cck's etc as you are going to have to lock yourself in to that cck's ecosystem. Not bashing cck's but that is probably how it is

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by leolam » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Joomla Custom Fields explained: https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Adding_cus ... tom_fields

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by Sukinoz » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:37 pm

leolam wrote:Joomla Custom Fields explained: https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Adding_cus ... tom_fields
@leolam thanks for sharing... but what do you mean with this? What do you think about Joomla Custom Fields as CCK?

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by STUBRBS » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:54 am

If you are looking for a fast and performant CCK for Joomla, which does rely on the core content functionality (e.g. all plugins, modules, language, search... will work as expected) then I suggest you have a look at Pages and Items: http://www.pagesanditems.ch. It's a very reliable CCK, and a very powerful one. We use it on all our sites.
Here is the git-repo to it:

https://bitbucket.org/stubr/joomla-page ... s/overview

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by STUBRBS » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:21 pm

STUBRBS wrote:II suggest you have a look at Pages and Items: http://www.pagesanditems.ch.
The correct URL is:
https://www.pages-and-items.com/extensi ... -and-items

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Re: Joomla Custom Fields are a CCK ?

Post by Sukinoz » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:29 am

STUBRBS wrote:If you are looking for a fast and performant CCK for Joomla, which does rely on the core content functionality (e.g. all plugins, modules, language, search... will work as expected) then I suggest you have a look at Pages and Items: http://www.pagesanditems.ch. It's a very reliable CCK, and a very powerful one. We use it on all our sites.
Here is the git-repo to it:

https://bitbucket.org/stubr/joomla-page ... s/overview
Thanks but:

1. We are not talking about CCKs. We are talking about Joomla Core Custom Fields.

2. Pages-and-Items is and OLD extension. It isn`t in the Joomla Extension Directory. NOT for Joomla 3.7.0


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