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very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:19 pm
by Folamour
hi folks we still face performance issue since release 3.8.0 of joomla, we have 14k article and that seem linked, here is the previous thread (without any fix or reply)

very slow website after upgrading to jooma 3.8.0

viewtopic.php?f=709&t=954841&e=1&view=unread#unread

still not have tested 3.8.3 but i wonder it will be the same issue,

hope you can help,

f.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:35 pm
by storm77
You can enable slow query logging and try to find another issues at pagespeed insights and gtmetrix

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:05 pm
by Folamour
the issue is in the core of joomla since 3.8.0 we have no issue in 3.7.5, i think there is a slow routine, who enabled by x 14k is dramatically slowing the site, not a lot of site can face that issue, but no one at joomla team seem to want to handle the issue, our page speed is already optimized, we can't do anything more. one more time we do not face the issue in 3.7.5

where the joomla guru who was so ironic in the previous thread ??? playing dig dug ?

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:19 pm
by effrit
at least try 3.8.3, as i remember there was a fix for performance issue.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:12 pm
by Folamour
ah ! NICE ! thank to let me know i've tested 3.8.0 to 3.8.2 but each time i have to roll back a backup, thanks a lot,

will test it this week end for christmas, will let know the community about the result of the test,

f.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:54 am
by webhostuk
What is your server configuration ? have you tried to optimize your server with nginx , opcache etc to make sure you speedup the webserver.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 am
by Folamour
hi webhostuk, its a dedicated server its managed by my host i have no access to such parameter, i'm waiting that the host does the backup, have to wait 48h and not publishing any article, then we will have a try to 3.8.3 ; )

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:18 am
by ribo
Folamour wrote:hi webhostuk, its a dedicated server its managed by my host i have no access to such parameter,
Then it seems that you are in shared hosting. Shared hosting has limit in the speed. A good vps with a good configuration can run your joomla website much much faster.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:41 am
by Folamour
no ribo its a dedicated server not a shared one ; )

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:51 am
by ribo
Folamour wrote:no ribo its a dedicated server not a shared one ; )
And why you don t have root access? how much do you pay? To understand what do you have in your host provider.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:14 pm
by Folamour
i pay 55€ per month, the server is managed by my host infomaniak in fact, i remember its a half-dedicated

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:17 pm
by ribo
Folamour wrote:i pay 55€ per month, the server is managed by my host infomaniak in fact, i remember its a half-dedicated
Then you have cloud server. Ask from your host to optimize your server to be much faster as i understand you have much articles-categories, etc.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:20 pm
by Folamour
I dont think they does this kind of thing, but i will ask, anyway the time load is okay on 3.7.5

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:59 am
by Folamour
ok opcache is already installed on the server, this morning i tested 3.8.3 still the same issue pagespeed load time of page who are not in cache went from 4.5 sec to 9 sec, unfortunately the restore in 3.7.5 failed, so i will have to stay in 3.8.3, i'm very disapointed,

cheers,

f.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:59 am
by Folamour
second try to restore to 3.7.5 as been a success ! but the problem still here......... at a long time period we will be vulnerable to hacker attack,

my oppoment use wordpresse since 8 years, and they face no issue,

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:56 pm
by ribo
Folamour wrote:ok opcache is already installed on the server, this morning i tested 3.8.3 still the same issue pagespeed load time of page who are not in cache went from 4.5 sec to 9 sec, unfortunately the restore in 3.7.5 failed, so i will have to stay in 3.8.3, i'm very disapointed,

cheers,

f.
If you will install for example opcache it does n t mean that your server will be faster. But if you configure opcache properly for your server, it can be faster. That is an example, and there are many things to optimize your server and every server needs different configutation in many things. So you have a managed server, you pay for this, so you ask your host how they can optimize your server

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:00 pm
by Folamour
i agree but anyway its NOT normal, that i went from 4.5 to 9 sec when upgrading joomla, the dev as to take my case in consideration or that assume that joomla is not a professional CMS

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:13 pm
by ribo
Folamour wrote: but anyway its NOT normal, that i went from 4.5 to 9 sec when upgrading joomla
In my case in many joomla websites i did n t experience such issue with so many difference in speed. All my joomla websites are up to date

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:16 pm
by ribo
Another thing that i can think in your case is that if a third party extension slow your joomla website and needs update after joomla update to joomla 3.8.3

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:31 pm
by Folamour
already checked, all work fine, as also upgraded jot cache to last release as asked, i'm an old game coder, this look like, really like a routine or a sub program who is called on each article, and been called x 14.000 time on our side, so other blog or site DONT SAW the issue,

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:47 pm
by ribo
Folamour wrote: so other blog or site DONT SAW the issue,
Do you say that the speed issue you saw it only in one joomla website? If so, is it the joomla website with the most articles?

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:06 pm
by Folamour
Yes its our blog, https://www.crashdebug.fr we face the issue since 3.8.0 we handle 14.381 article in 20-25 categories with 9 year of blogging.

kind regards,

f.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:23 pm
by ribo
So i believe more than any other time that you need to optimize your server to can handle a joomla website with so many articles and be faster that is now. Your joomla website is grow and i believe that you need different configuration in your cloud server to make your joomla faster. Please ask them to optimize your server. They are paid to do and this thing in your managed cloud server.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:27 pm
by Folamour
this is not acceptable, 3.7.5 work fine, btw i have already asked, still waiting an answer, to ask them in more details

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:41 pm
by ribo
Folamour wrote:this is not acceptable, 3.7.5 work fine, btw i have already asked, still waiting an answer, to ask them in more details
You can stay with this that you think. This is your server. This is your opinion. With a fast look that i saw i don t believe that your server is optimized, even you say that you have speed issue or not.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:54 pm
by effrit
I heard about similar problems on local forum.
but problem is - only few people have such huge amount of articles.
so i guess you can post it on Github as issue with comparison 3.7.5 vs 3.8.3 performance.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:37 pm
by Folamour
hi effrit that i good news, can you please gave me the address where i can write such complain, or any dev joomla forum ??? I'll know github, but its a huge site.

thanks a lot in advance,

f.

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:28 am
by effrit

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:49 am
by Folamour
thanks a lot effrit i bookmarked the url, merry christmas

Re: very slow website since release of Jooma 3.8.0

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:50 pm
by Folamour
Issue posted on dev website,

Merry christmas to all !

f.