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Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Mon May 17, 2021 5:25 pm

Hello guys,

I've already read Practical Guide to migrate from J1.5.xx to J3.x
viewtopic.php?f=710&t=925100
but still need your help.

I created my website in 2009 (sales and production of stationery) and now I want to add an online shop to it.
The current system info:
Platform: Linux s9.thehost.com.ua 3.13.0-122-generic #171-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 20 16:43:52 UTC 2017 x86_64
Version MySQL: 5.6.34
Version PHP: 5.6.40
Web-server: Apache
Interface web-server -> PHP: cgi-fcgi
Version Joomla: Joomla! 1.5.14 Stable [ Wojmamni Ama Naiki ] 30-July-2009 23:00 GMT


So I need to upgrade it to Joomla v. 3.9.26.
Few questions:
1. It is doable to upgrade from 1.5.14?
2. My website has a good local Google ranking. If I follow everything written in the above mentioned Practical Guide, will the urls remain the same and will my ranking not be affected?
3. Joomla newer versions allow to install different languages. I need two languages. Does it mean I may translate any main page categories or just everything on my website into the required language?
If I install an ecommerce template or extension, will I be able to translate everything into the required language or does it depend on the developer of such template/extension?

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Mon May 17, 2021 6:00 pm

Have you never updated the site? The last version was 1.5.26.

https://downloads.joomla.org/cms/joomla ... format=zip

Updating 1.5 is simple. Unzip the file and upload the files and overwrite on your site.

It's recommended to migrate from 1.5.26.

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by JTema » Mon May 17, 2021 6:04 pm

I have done the same thing for a couple of times. I advice you to do it on localhost. Have a back up try it on localhost and see what happens. First you should upgrade 1.5 to 2.5 then 2.5 to 3.x. Upgrading process generally keeps menu structure and content. So your google rank may not be effected.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Mon May 17, 2021 9:52 pm

Probably quicker to create a fresh site with the latest Joomla and use j2xml to port users Articles etc. Most of your extensions are unlikely to update. You can redo the menus with the same structure as your old site if you are concerned over seo snake oil.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by AMurray » Mon May 17, 2021 9:58 pm

I hope you have also seen this (as mentioned at the foot of Leo's Practical Guide): https://docs.joomla.org/Planning_Migrat ... a_1.5_to_3

Here's the instructions for a mult-lingual site: https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Setup_a_Mu ... w_Language

For backups, I can't find a version of Akeeba Backup for Joomla 1.5.x but you should be able to backup through your web host (cPanel should have a backup tool), otherwise, do this manually, exporting the database through phpMyAdmin and download all the system files and keep them safe.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Mon May 17, 2021 11:45 pm

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https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Mon May 17, 2021 11:50 pm

AMurray wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:58 pm
...
For backups, I can't find a version of Akeeba Backup for Joomla 1.5.x ...
akeeba 02.jpg
https://www.akeeba.com/compatibility.html :D
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Tue May 18, 2021 3:36 am

Thank you for the replies and enjoy your day!!!
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by AMurray » Tue May 18, 2021 8:25 am

OK, I knew Akeeba had an archive *somewhere*, just couldn't locate it.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Tue May 18, 2021 1:33 pm

AMurray wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 8:25 am
OK, I knew Akeeba had an archive *somewhere*, just couldn't locate it.
akeeba versions
In a search engine should do it
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Tue May 18, 2021 1:35 pm

Yuliia_2000 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 3:36 am
Thank you for the replies and enjoy your day!!!
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If you put the 'solved' tick on the post that corresponds to method you chose ... then that will be useful to others.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Tue May 18, 2021 5:14 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 1:35 pm
If you put the 'solved' tick on the post that corresponds to method you chose ... then that will be useful to others.
sorry, I am new to this forum.
I do not see any 'solved' button or option. Do you mean the last Post icon after green laughing smile?

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Tue May 18, 2021 5:54 pm

Someone has done it on the first post. btw which method did you choose and was it successful?
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Tue May 18, 2021 6:18 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 5:54 pm
Someone has done it on the first post. btw which method did you choose and was it successful?
I haven't finished. Now I am trying to understand how to upload the Joomla package using ftp.
Google recommends to install FileZilla for this and enter my credentials.
Hm... I do not want to share my hosting credentials to a 3rd party.

and overwrite all files and folders
it's also not clear which folders to overwrite cause I have eight folders
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Tue May 18, 2021 7:28 pm

I used the file manager of my hosting provider to upload and unzip v. 1.5.26 into www folder.
Then checked my admin panel - the upgrade had been done well.

Then I did the same with Joomla_3.9.26-Stable-Full_Package.zip: uploaded and unzipped. Now the website and admin are not working :)))

Nice headache before going to sleep...

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by JTema » Tue May 18, 2021 7:43 pm

What have you done? :( I hope you have a backup
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Tue May 18, 2021 8:54 pm

So its not solved yet as you have yet to see if you will succeed.

Filezilla installs avast av without asking. Their uninstall program uninstalls then reinstalls. Had to manually uninstall files and registry entries. Not a happy bunny
I use cuteftp and store the login in keypass2

But you can use the file manager in your Hosts cp to upload and unzip files.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by sozzled » Tue May 18, 2021 9:18 pm

Yuliia_2000 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 7:28 pm
I used the file manager of my hosting provider to upload and unzip v. 1.5.26 into www folder.
Then checked my admin panel - the upgrade had been done well.
Yes, that is the correct way to update J! 1.5 (from an older version to a later version).

Yuliia_2000 wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 7:28 pm
Then I did the same with Joomla_3.9.26-Stable-Full_Package.zip: uploaded and unzipped.
You cannot "upgrade" from J! 1.5 to J! 3.9.26 that way. Going from J! 1.5 to J! 3.x is called a migration and it involves several steps. Please read the documentation that @AMurray referred to earlier.

You need to restore your website to when it was working with J! 1.5.26 and then migrate it to J! 3.x. It will probably take you a couple of days to do that properly.

*** off-topic ***

@Webdongle: I've been using Filezilla for the past thirteen years or more and I don't remember it installing Avast AV software. I certainly don't recall FZ installing anything blind (i.e. without my approval). It's possible that you may have installed FZ from a "warez" site; those places are notorious for adding "extras". In any case, people are free to use whatever works for them to upload files to the servers they use.

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Post by sozzled » Tue May 18, 2021 9:46 pm

*** off-topic ***

There have been controversial "bundled software" issues with Filezilla in the past but I don't recall any cases when it affected me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileZilla ... are_issues.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by JTema » Wed May 19, 2021 6:11 am

*** off-topic ***

I agree with Sozzled. I've also been using Filezilla for the past ten years or more and I don't remember it installing Avast AV software.

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Wed May 19, 2021 10:44 am

Thank you, @sozzled and @AMurray.
I totally agree I couldn't just jump with the upgrade to J! 3.9.26 without migration. Miracle has not happened :)))

Yes, I have a backup and will redo everything but with migration.

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Post by Webdongle » Wed May 19, 2021 11:11 am

As the topic of filezilla and ftp was brought up in this thread ... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/s ... rom-users/ may be informative to those who are thinking of using filezilla to upload Joomla files.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Wed May 19, 2021 7:36 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 9:52 pm
Probably quicker to create a fresh site with the latest Joomla and use j2xml to port users Articles etc. Most of your extensions are unlikely to update. You can redo the menus with the same structure as your old site if you are concerned over seo snake oil.
Sorry, guys, but now this idea is more attractive for me as my site was hacked few years ago and it seems I shall not be able to clean up all hidden stuff.
Though I do not want to create a separate site.

May I deinstall current Joomla version (I've already updated to 1.5.26), install the latest 3.9.26, and use j2xml or any similar extension to import my articles and categories?
If yes, may I mass import data from my laptop, for instance, stationery photos (I have more than 900) or should it be done only from backup? I'd like to minimise the risk of importing hidden stuff from backup.

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Wed May 19, 2021 7:51 pm

1) Install j3.9.26 as a parallell site.

2) Install j2xml on both sites.

3) Migrate data over

4) Remove old 1.5 site

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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Wed May 19, 2021 8:30 pm

Per Yngve Berg wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:51 pm
1) Install j3.9.26 as a parallell site.

2) Install j2xml on both sites.

3) Migrate data over

4) Remove old 1.5 site
How to make a parallel site, @Per? The rest points sound pretty easy and this is awesome!

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Post by Webdongle » Wed May 19, 2021 9:07 pm

Create a folder level with the domain
Create a subdomain and point it to the new folder
Some Hosting packages do not allow that and nest the subdomain folder.
Best use wamp on your pc https://www.wampserver.com/en/ you can change php versions on the fly

Don't use images from your site as they may be compromised.
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by sozzled » Wed May 19, 2021 9:10 pm

Adding to what @Webdongle wrote, as I mentioned earlier, completing the migration will probably take you a couple of days to do properly. Even for me (and I've done this before) it would take me a couple of days. There's no guarantee that everything you had before will migrate successfully; you may have to make compromises.

If you would like an idea of the effort and likely cost involved in undertaking this task, use the Professional Development Services, obtain a few quotations from people who specialise in this are, and then decide it it's worth taking the process further. On the other hand, while the process is straightforward it's not simple.

This is not a job that anyone wants to do themselves or likes doing for the fun of it. ;)

You need to decide whether it's worth making the attempt with the understanding that you may finish up with something that is not exactly the same as what you had. It's also important to understand that some of the things you had before will not exist in J! 3.x while, on the other hand, J! 3.x will offer you more potential to do things that you couldn't do in J! 1.5. 8)
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Webdongle » Wed May 19, 2021 9:50 pm

sozzled wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 9:10 pm
... as I mentioned earlier, completing the migration will probably take you a couple of days to do properly. ..
The op has already decided to start from scratch with a 3.x build rather than migrate viewtopic.php?f=710&t=986436&p=3631034#p3631028
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Re: Upgrade Joomla for the website created in 2009

Post by Yuliia_2000 » Thu May 20, 2021 7:10 am

Thanks all of you for the support.
I am not an IT specialist but you really helped a lot and now I exlicitly know what to do and how to proceed.

I'll do from scratch to be sure no compromised material including images will be transferred to the new Joomla version.
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