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Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:13 am

Hey!


I have built a website (https://www.ghitulescu.de/beta/JST/) for the elementary school of my children using the commercial template "ET Primary" (https://www.astemplates.com/joomla-temp ... et-primary) from ASTemplates (https://www.astemplates.com).

I followed the advice of the ASTemplates-support-team and built everything in Quix
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-26 um 10.26.44.png
The end-result looks good for me:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-26 um 10.22.28.jpg
so I thought that I was almost ready… until I wanted to add a user for the teachers of the school that will update the content (only text, like the dates below
2020-01-26 dates to be edited by the theachers.png
).

I've added a Manager-user and a Publisher-user:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-26 um 10.30.18.png
I've also added a login-form in order to allow editing the content from the front-end.
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-26 um 10.29.40.png
I was unpleasantly surprised:

1. After successfully login on the front-end the Publisher-user cannot edit anything at all.

2. After successfully login on the back-end the Manager-user can see and edit all the articles BUT NOT THE QUIX PAGES.
I get an error-message saying "You are not authorised to view this ressource" when I click on the Quix-pages menu-item.

I tried to solve this with the ASTemplates-support (https://enginetemplates.com/ticket-supp ... 1580031892) but their answer was that there's no way to edit the content other than as a Super User.

That's a problem because the teachers assigned to change the content are not tech-savy enough to act like a Super User on the back-end of the site.

Do you have any idea how to enable to the teachers to edit the content of the Quix-pages whitout being a Super User?

Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Webdongle » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:20 pm

Create a user group under 'Registered' as Parent.
Select that user group in the various vie access levels.
In Global config Permissions Allow Admin login (everything else Inherited)
In Joomla Admin ... select the component >>> Permissions and add the required Permissions.

You could create several new user groups if you wish.
newusergroup Editor
> newusergroup Author
etc. each with the Previous usergroup as Parent. each with an extra Permission Allowed as the Child user groups go deeper.
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:57 pm

That info should have been a Module, not template code.

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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:41 am

Webdongle wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:20 pm
Create a user group under 'Registered' as Parent.
Select that user group in the various vie access levels.
In Global config Permissions Allow Admin login (everything else Inherited)
In Joomla Admin ... select the component >>> Permissions and add the required Permissions.

You could create several new user groups if you wish.
newusergroup Editor
> newusergroup Author
etc. each with the Previous usergroup as Parent. each with an extra Permission Allowed as the Child user groups go deeper.
Thanks for your reply.
I'm still relatively new to Joomla, so I have a few questions about where to find the things you said - sorry for the probably dumb ones!

I created a user group named "JSEK-Publisher" under "Registered" as parent.
JSEK-Publisher user-group.jpg
You said then: "Select that user group in the various vie access levels."
Where / How exactly do I do this?

Then you said: "In Global config Permissions Allow Admin login (everything else Inherited)"
That's "Access Administration Interface"
Access Administration Interface.jpg
, right?

Then "In Joomla Admin ... select the component >>> Permissions and add the required Permissions."
Which component exactly?
Which component.jpg
When I choose Quix I only get the overview of the Quix-pages:
only Quix pages.jpg
You also said: "You could create several new user groups if you wish.
newusergroup Editor
> newusergroup Author
etc. each with the Previous usergroup as Parent. each with an extra Permission Allowed as the Child user groups go deeper.
"

If I understand you correctly I could create my JSEK-Publisher-group directly under the Publisher as Parent, right?
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Webdongle » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:39 am

Users >>> Access levels ... open an access level and select the user group. When a Menu/Article/Category is set at a level then a user group must be selected in that level in order to see it.

Global config ... "In Global config Permissions Allow Admin login (everything else Inherited)" means just that. (everything else Inherited)

Quix OPTIONS to allow user interface edit etc.

https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Access_Con ... t_Tutorial
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:29 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:39 am
Users >>> Access levels ... open an access level and select the user group. When a Menu/Article/Category is set at a level then a user group must be selected in that level in order to see it.

Global config ... "In Global config Permissions Allow Admin login (everything else Inherited)" means just that. (everything else Inherited)

Quix OPTIONS to allow user interface edit etc.

https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Access_Con ... t_Tutorial
Thanks, I got it now - sorry for being so dense! :-/

I assigned the Manager-User to JSEK-Publisher-user group
Manager assigned to JSEK-Publisher.jpg
I logged in than with the Manager-user and I could edit a Quix-page ("Schulanfänger")
Editing a Quix-Page.jpg
However trying to edit the Home-page didn't work:
Error editing the Home-page.jpg
Both Quix-pages seem similar:
one works, the other one doesn't.jpg
Do you have an idea why I cannot edit the Home-page?
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Webdongle » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:52 am

Perhaps they are in different categories and you previously edited one of the Categories?
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https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:18 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:52 am
Perhaps they are in different categories and you previously edited one of the Categories?
The Quix pages should all be identical in this manner because I did first the HOME one, cloned it and changed it correspondently afterwards for each of the other pages.

I didn't edited the Categories.
Here they are, the Categories:
Categories.jpg
How do they relate to the Quix-pages
Quix Pages.jpg
anyway?!

I cannot find any of the Quix pages in the Articles
Articles.jpg
or any of the Categories mentioned somewhere in the Quix pages.

I've also couldn't find any way to assign Categories to the Quix-pages.

Right now it look to me as Quix would build a system parallel to the canonical one (Articles & Categories) - but I'm must be missing something here, right?

I've looked into the other informations of the HOME (that the Manager cannot edit) and SCHULANFÄNGER (that the Manager can edit) Quix-Pages and founded no difference in the other informations like Publishing or Advanced
HOME - Advanced.jpg
HOME - Publishing.jpg
Could you please suggest me where should I look for other differences?

Thanks in advance!
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Post by Webdongle » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:38 pm

I don't use Quix so I don't know where to look in it. It must have it's own settings somewhere?
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Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:51 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:38 pm
I don't use Quix so I don't know where to look in it. It must have it's own settings somewhere?
After this experience I won't either :-(

These are the settings I've found
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Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-28 um 20.44.10.png
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-28 um 20.44.22.png
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but they must be identical for both pages, right?

I'll try to contact Quix directly from the Backend - I've just discovered that this is possible while taking this very screenshots :-) - and perhaps this or somebody else on this forum will help me further to find the solution.

Anyway, you've helped me a lot - thanks again!
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Post by Webdongle » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:08 pm

3rd image ... what are the Permissions for the user group you are having problems with?
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:57 am

Webdongle wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:08 pm
3rd image ... what are the Permissions for the user group you are having problems with?
Before inserting the screenshots: The user Manager cannot edit one of the Quix-Pages (HOME) but can edit another Quix-Page (SCHULANFÄNGER).

Here is the Manager, who belongs to the user group JSEK-Publisher:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 06.48.52.png
Now to the Quix-Permissions for the user group JSEK-Publisher:
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Post by Webdongle » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:45 am

Check the view/access level of the 'Home Page, it's menu item and it's Category.
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Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:17 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:45 am
Check the view/access level of the 'Home Page, it's menu item and it's Category.
The view/access level - as shown in the Quix-Pages
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 18.12.32.png
- is "Public".

Here is it's menu item:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 18.04.48.png
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 18.04.30.png
I cannot identify any Category assigned to the Home Page:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 18.08.26.png
I've checked all the articles within the above categories and they are only the generic Joomla-ones that comes as default by installation.

None of the Quix-created content is there and I couldn't find any mention of the Categories anywhere in the settings of the Quix-pages.
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Post by Webdongle » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:35 pm

Your menu item called 'Start' is not the default menu item.
The Article edit screen will have the Category the Article is in.
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Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:33 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:35 pm
Your menu item called 'Start' is not the default menu item.
The Article edit screen will have the Category the Article is in.
You're absolutely right with the "Start"-Menu!
Sorry about this, I didn't re-discovered the "Home"-Menu until now on the second page:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 19.24.27.png
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 19.23.55.png
BUT they both link to the same Quix-page:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 19.24.46.png
Bildschirmfoto 2020-01-31 um 19.22.56.png
However: Does this gives you a hint why the Home-page is not editable by the Manager-user?

Now about the Article & Categories: When I'm creating a new article (that is NOT a Quix-page therefore will not appear on the site etc.) only the Categories attached as screenshots in the previous message appear as a dropdown.

On the other side NO Categories whatsoever appear when I'm creating a Quix-page or content on a Quix-page.

Please let me know if access to the backend would help.

Thanks!
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Post by Webdongle » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:01 pm

Two menu items pointing to the same Article is not good. Trash one menu item then empty it from trash.
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Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:01 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:01 pm
Two menu items pointing to the same Article is not good. Trash one menu item then empty it from trash.
I don't know exactly how did I come to this…

Anyway: One of the menus is HOME, that's hidden and points to the Home-Page (therefore the star, right?)
Bildschirmfoto 2020-02-02 um 21.55.02.png
Bildschirmfoto 2020-02-02 um 21.53.26.png
and the other one is START
Bildschirmfoto 2020-02-02 um 21.54.46.png
Bildschirmfoto 2020-02-02 um 21.53.58.png
Only START appears in the NavBar
2020-02-02 that's the START.jpg
I suppose that I should star the START-one first and then delete the HOME, right?
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Post by Webdongle » Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:28 pm

You can have the deafult menu item set to Public and the Start menu item set to registered if you wish.
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:24 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:28 pm
You can have the deafult menu item set to Public and the Start menu item set to registered if you wish.
I would rather delete the HOME and keep the START (as they are and as described in the previous message) - if you don't see any hidden dangers?! (I'll make an Akeeba Backup before… to play it safe)

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Post by Webdongle » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:14 pm

So long as the default menu item is either 'Guest' or 'Public'. And logged in users can view that level.
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:05 am

Webdongle wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:14 pm
So long as the default menu item is either 'Guest' or 'Public'. And logged in users can view that level.
That was it!

What have I done:

- I "starred" the START-menu-item first.
- Because it was "Public", as you stressed above, I have then deleted the HOME-menu-item...
- ... and emptied the trash.
- I had then only one menu-item (START) pointing to the HOME-Quix-page:
Bildschirmfoto 2020-02-07 um 10.53.27.png
- After this I have logged off (as SuperUser) and logged in again as the "Manager"-user
- The Manager-User can now edit all Quix-Pages, that is the HOME-Quix-Page too!

Thank you very much for your help & patience & sorry once again for the dumb questions!
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by darb » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:33 pm

Yes as said before some tips

read Joomla ACL standard and set up menus and different JBD packages for that. https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Access_Con ... t_Tutorial

https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/acl-manager/

Some good tips of roles and Joomla ACL set ups
https://www.slideshare.net/careytech/ro ... d-acl-2013
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Re: Content created with Quix can be changed only by a Super User

Post by Vlad Ghitulescu » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:27 am

darb wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:33 pm
Yes as said before some tips

read Joomla ACL standard and set up menus and different JBD packages for that. https://docs.joomla.org/J3.x:Access_Con ... t_Tutorial

https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/acl-manager/

Some good tips of roles and Joomla ACL set ups
https://www.slideshare.net/careytech/ro ... d-acl-2013
Thanks, darb!

I'll start to read now.


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