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New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by darb » Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:54 pm

Hi

I see that the new Joomla 3.9.12 will be scheduled to be released again the third week 24:th in the month and before 3.9.7 Joomla have always been released the second Tuesday in the month.

Is there any reason why the schedule strategy lately suddenly changed to third week now and if so why?
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by Aris Ntatsis » Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:15 pm

Release schedule for Joomla 3 changed from 4 weeks to 5 and then to 6 weeks.

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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by mbabker » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:14 pm

The release date has never been a fixed date in the month. If you're going on a schedule based on number of weeks, then that date is going to drift throughout the year to different parts of the month. Just look at https://downloads.joomla.org/cms/joomla3 and you can see that in effect.

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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by darb » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:04 pm

ok but is there any release policy for Joomla?
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by sozzled » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:26 pm

darb wrote:
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Is there any release policy for Joomla?
Not necessarily a carved-in-stone policy statement, but here's the general idea: https://developer.joomla.org/roadmap.html
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by darb » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:35 am

sozzled wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:26 pm
darb wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:04 pm
Is there any release policy for Joomla?
Not necessarily a carved-in-stone policy statement, but here's the general idea: https://developer.joomla.org/roadmap.html
I know that dev strategy & development roadmaps I also discussed long time with Louis L back 2005

I see somewhere before it was said to be something like releasing maintenance updates every month the second week every Tuesday. So then the release schedule was like 4 weeks. But then changed to 5 weeks and then to 6 weeks. So I just wonder why these schedules changed for some reason?
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by mbabker » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:35 am

It's basically based on the availability of whomever the one person who is in charge of releases (because no matter how many times I have said this is not a single person's job there has never been more than one person actively involved in release management at a time). It has never been documented as an official release policy that releases will only occur on a specific day of the week or a specific week of the month. It just so happens that releasing on Tuesday generally works well for most and doesn't majorly conflict with release schedules of other software platforms.

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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by darb » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:28 am

Yes as I understand there is circumstances always that effect releases dates but as seen and understood from outside you see the pattern of a maintenance release schedule like one time per month. And its done planned like one time per month, not every second month or twice a month if not urgency patches.

So if you look it like that you see that its "officially" or "unofficially" some timely schedules ie ever month ( every 4 weeks, 5 weeks, 6 weeks) for releasing maintenance updates schedules even its not done in a said policy. A policy for maintenance releases could just say that "Joomla make maintenance releases every 4-6 weeks depending on voluntarily participation except if urgent needs of patches...etc then people would know how it works.
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by sozzled » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:01 am

I tried to address this question succinctly and directly relevantly.

The main question, as I view it, was simply this: "Is there any release policy for Joomla?"

I think @mbabker addressed the question well.

To put things another way, I don't know what is the release policy for many things. I don't know what is the release policy for Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, eBay, Facebook, Twitter, for example. But, I guess you could say that the policy for new releases is "when they're needed and when they're ready".

So, what makes something "needed"? If you look at the Issue Tracker, you can see what's happening behind the scenes. Bugs are discovered and fixed (some are more "important", for some people, more than others); security issues are identified and resolved; new features are designed and developed; some features may even be removed. There are many reasons for creating a new release of software.

What makes something "ready"? I guess the answer is that the release has been tested and it has been "signed off".

So, if the policy relating to Joomla releases is because releases are "needed' and "ready for use"—that's probably the unwritten policy as far as most software products are concerned—then that's good enough for me.

If, however, the question is about what are the future plans for Joomla, then that's a different question. @mbabker answered that question. I also tried to point to where these plans have been published.

Plans, however, are just that. We can plan software constuction, but that's all it is; it's a plan. The success of the plan requires making sure that the stakeholders agree to the plan, the construction meets environmental regulations, that building materials are available, project management roles are undertaken, a construction team is assembled, building certifiers sign off on each stage of construction, and that the construction meets the required legal obligations ... and, ultimately, the whole deal is acceptable to the the people who are paying for all of it. While such a policy may not necessarily exist in written form for Joomla, and the policy is someone fluid, I think that's about all I can say on the matter.
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by darb » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:28 am

Yeah but then we all agree then that Joomla maintenance releases officially will be on Tuesdays :D

(and bcs of drifting, new maintenance releases normally happens regularly within scheduled 4-6 weeks release periods)
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Re: New 3:rd week Joomla schedule release?

Post by sozzled » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:36 am

I agree with what @mbabker wrote on the subject.
mbabker wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:35 am
[The timing of J! releases is] ... based on the availability of whomever the one person who is in charge of releases (because no matter how many times I have said this is not a single person's job there has never been more than one person actively involved in release management at a time). It has never been documented as an official release policy that releases will only occur on a specific day of the week or a specific week of the month. It just so happens that releasing on Tuesday generally works well for most and doesn't majorly conflict with release schedules of other software platforms.
I agree that new releases will occur when they're needed and when they're ready and when someone is available to put them out there.

For information, there have been 73 releases of J! 3.x. The update releases were made

Sundays: never
Mondays: 6 times
Tuesdays: 33
Wednesdays: 14
Thursdays: 15
Fridays: 2
Saturdays: 2

Therefore, there is no "set day of the week" for releasing new versions of J!
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