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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Chacapamac » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:39 pm

It is night & day!
As you can see the (Blue Atum) proposed admin template (even if the fix I propose give it a more homogenous look), this official version is simply, by it’s color placement and design choice austere and frankly boring.

This is not what you want to propel the best CMS and Joomla version ever.
The version that can bring back Joomla to it’s proper place, to the top.

If you look at kawshar template (White Atum) you got a cool fresh minimalist design.
A design that make it look fun and easy to work in.

My vote is 100% for kawshar & I will help as much as I can to even make it better.
This is the winner Admin that Joomla 4 need — A fresh new start.

I want to thanks Bruno28 & Mr Wimpy to participate in discussing and helping by pointing problems or advantages on the 2 templates (Blue Atum (official template) & kawshar (White Atum).

Everybody that care about Joomla should use this post to continue help by giving appreciation or pointing out fixes or amelioration for their prefer template.

I love Joomla and I alway think that one of the strongest force of this CMS is it’s community.
Let’s work together people.... :)
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Maradona » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:17 pm

ies wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:27 pm
But forget about WP. All I want to say is: Please, lets create a better looking backend template for Joomla 4.
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Chacapamac » Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:13 pm

Placement/design/structure of internal actions windows

First, I second Mr. Wimpy, please kashwar listen to his smart suggestions on his previous post. =============================
posting.php?mode=reply&f=803&t=970614#pr3583751
1— LOCATION OF BUTTONS
• Important buttons ("New", "Save") on the left. So are the important fields ("Title", "Article text". And everything under the tabs. Everything is close together and fits into zoomed view (Help for Accessibility).

2— LOCATION OF MESSAGES
Placement of messages should be around the middle/top.
The widths of all messages should be the same.

3— LISTS
Blue Atum (official Joomla template) uses the same icons for statuses everywhere. They are clear and distinct: i.e. Green checkmark, grey X. And, in most lists, they are in front of the title. The rows are highlighted on hover, making it easy to read and and follow. Columns are pretty much in order of importance.

In White Atum (kashwar template), the icons are different in different list, and in different locations. Some are in front, like Category list and menu items list.
But on the article list it's close to the back. I have to move my mouse to the right, past the category column (???), I can no longer see what the article title is. I might just look at the status of a different article, or worse change the status of a different article. The statuses only have a small coloured dot (with text).

PS: Who believed that the ArticleID is so important that is should be in the first column? You (I) hardly ever use them. All the other lists the IDs are in the last column.

PS2: Where is the Featured icon/column for articles?

Also Kaswar see his “SOME OTHER DESIGN NOTES” — Contain top notch pro interface design advices :eek:
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Remember that the following image is base on my own modified design exemple of kashwar design
(see this previous post)
posting.php?mode=reply&f=803&t=970614#pr3584030
In my proposed design;
I add a full color Joomla logo, small darker border to delimit the top & left menu from the main page content and kashwar duotone active color and icons to make a kind of “breadcrumbs” for the actual place.
internal-action-window.jpg

Saddly kashwar seem to bee absent from the discussion and important advices presented here ?

kashwar are you here ?
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by kawshar » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:26 pm

1. We will re-check the button priority locations. But, the designer had a resource on that. I will try to get his answer and explanation. Btw, I shared your suggestion with him, he will check in a while.
2. Message location is widely used in the bottom left or bottom right. Please check Google docs or Gmail.
3. Icons can be more specific.

About the list, we could remove many options but we tried to keep everything in order to avoid chaos.

And, color logo is kinda outdated. The main purpose of this design is to give a modern look. About the duotone icon, you just have to write the icon name in the right view.html.php file.

I think we can improve a lot but right now challenge is to merge in the core. It's already uploaded to the official Joomla repo.

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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Chacapamac » Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 pm

Thanks kawshar for your work and contribution:
I think we can improve a lot but right now challenge is to merge in the core. It's already uploaded to the official Joomla repo.
:D

As for the black logo, I disagree. It’s nothing about a “Modern look” Logo.

A logo is the soul of a mark and should never be modified, only by the branding guidelines established.

In branding you got always a preferred UNIQUE Signature that should be use. For Joomla, this signature IS the full color logo. The black logo should be used only where color is unavailable or for specific purpose.

You can download 2017 Joomla brand manual here :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By_CBG ... hRb2M/edit

In the case of your design, it’s evident that the use of the black logo go even against the overall design that you propose.
1— First this is not the official Joomla signature that SHOULD ALWAYS appear in full color.
2— The black logo go against the overall look & feel of your design. Your design bring in subtle touch of bright colours used for icons & typography. The full color Joomla logo is a perfect match for your design

Look at the 2 images here... it’s easy to see that the black Joomla logo bring nothing to the template, It convey nothing positif, cool, for me it look even alien to the design.
logo-black.jpg
To the contrary the color logo fit perfectly with the bright, cool interface of your design and it’s Joomla Signature logo.
logo-color.jpg
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Webdongle » Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:10 pm

What has been done about the menu refreshing every page change?
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by bruno28 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:28 pm

I prefer the colored logo too
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Chacapamac » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:57 am

To kawshar, I know you guys are probably busy merging the template to core Joomla.

When you have time look at my 3 precedent posts with design advice here:

viewtopic.php?f=803&t=970614&start=300#p3584030

viewtopic.php?f=803&t=970614&start=300#p3584032

viewtopic.php?f=803&t=970614&start=300#p3584036
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Chacapamac » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:12 am

@ Webdongle
What has been done about the menu refreshing every page change?
Are you talking about kawshar (White Atum) ?

I don’t experienced that on Firefox / Safari / Chrome ....
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by bruno28 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:05 am

Joomla 4 beta 1 is available to test

https://developer.joomla.org/nightly-builds.html
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by toivo » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:48 am

bruno28 wrote:Joomla 4 beta 1 is available to test
It is a development version, not yet the final beta 1, but testing is highly encouraged.
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by bruno28 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:23 am

OK

Thank you Toivo

Have a good day
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by N6REJ » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:32 am

I think the changes that this template brings are wonderful!!! It should not be discouraged. For the first time since hathor we will have a template designed by designers not dev's!
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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by Maradona » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:13 pm

Joomla is the best 8) :D :pop

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Re: About the design of the administration?

Post by bruno28 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:20 pm

Maradona wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:13 pm
Joomla is the best 8) :D :pop
+ 100 :)
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