Perhaps something like the following is preferable: https://www.joomlart.com/joomla/templates/ja-admin

Even this has problems, all panel should have the same height, none of the headings should wrap.
Again, this is where CSS Grids is indispensable.
Probably because the devs would almost certainly reject ant input from anyone that think are beneath them. So nobody wants to spend time doing something that won't be used. I just hope that https://www.phoca.cz/joomla-templates start doing an admin Template for J4
Joomla needs some kind of business model, not just community contributions. Mozilla manages on donations, why can't Joomla. Mozilla is taking on the Google beast and doing a pretty good job of holding their own. Perhaps Joomla can take some instruction from what Mozilla is doing right. We need a full time core development team that is paid salaries commensurate with industry; period.@webdevtim... if you want to compare Joomla project to the "competition". This project is NOT backed by multimilion dollar, commercial operating, companies. WP is, Drupal in a way is..
Yes the Joomla Community needs to be involved, but as I said previously, maybe that would be better facilitated by a beta tester program, where testers are chosen based on their understanding of Joomla, so that "meaningful" feedback can be provided. Anyone can participate at some level, but when you are trying to get the next major release of the CMS out before the ice caps melt, then you need to have feedback from qualified people within the Joomla Community. I think part of the problem is that you are hailing from an age that no longer exists, when the Internet was still young and anything was possible; today Google, Amazon and Facebook are consolidating all internet activity into a few organizations. I hope that trend gets reversed at some point. I agree that if you completely shut out the community, however, then your CMS will die on the vine.Currently the power of Joomla! community is that anyone can participate. Keep it that way.
Two things that should be important here. 1. attracting WordPress users to Joomla, and 2. making it so that existing Joomla users aren't completely at a loss when trying to locate things like modules and plugins that used to be in locations familiar to them. True, modules live in that space somewhere between Content and an Extension, but most modules are developed by third parties and therefore would be an extension, not content. I really saw nothing wrong with "System," "Users," "Menus," "Content," "Components," "Extensions," "Help." These could be in the left hand panel so they are more familiar to WordPress users, but I think that there could be an option to have them displayed as a top navigation bar as well, to keep existing Joomla users comfortable; don't want to lose your existing 6% base when trying to attract the 60%ers.It is not just about the template. but the design in general... when i check the new j4, I could not find my usual items in the navigation.. just creating another template isn't doing it here.
You can have the best CMS ever (What Joomla 4 is) but if a newcomer get lost in a second class interface design it will negate all effort and will SYMPLY NOT BE USED by developer and first time users.
I read somewhere:webdevtim wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:13 pmPerhaps a combination of CSS Grids and CSS Flexbox would really nail it. CSS Grids when you know the number of elements that will be displayed and where you want them placed on the screen and Flexbox when you don't know the number of elements that will be displayed and only want them ordered in some consistent way.
You absolutely right, seeing the Elxis example, I think we can add row of button for rapid access of important functions in a nice way, I also like the inner page buttons & action links color scheme.I liked the layout you presented, I would like to see you expand on that idea with perhaps another row of quick access icons, and maybe include an analytics panel.
That is correct CSS Grids is for layout and Flexbox is for uniformly arranging elements within a layout block; especially when you don't know in advance how many elements will be contained withing that layout block.jonBuckner1 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:58 pmI read somewhere:
css grids for structure of layout.
flex for content within layout
I think flex can be a pain in the ar$& for layout
would mixing them together be confusing?
So working with teams of people and working with several roles and access level, with this shake up, I am afraid I have to schedule a lot of time to see if it all matches and reintroduce all team members to the new admin.For all I care the looks of the template is fine (but for some colors, and maybe some style corrections).. what I don't like is the complete shake up of the navigation. Modules in tab content? Why? Plugins in system settings not in extensions? Why? Why am I forced to a left screen navigation? Why? Missing consistency between navigation and displayed in content screen. ie. the navigation on users is not consistent with the module on the System page...