Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

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Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by rgtr » Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 pm

Hi
I have 8 joomla sites.
Five have updated "ok".

I am now investigating what needs to be cleaned up in long term installed extensions.
First is Akeeba backup - in a site I started in J1.5, now in J4 beta6, tried to uninstall Akeeba - lots of stuff from tables and other stuff. Got a "Whoops". Front end carried on working fine, but backend knackered.

Does anybody know how to clean up Akeeba Backup, and Admin Tools ?

JCE seems ok
Sigplus seems to be ok

Community Builder and Regular Labs are not ready for J4 but seem to uninstall Ok

Does anyone have a checklist ?

Redundant stuff seems to include:
KC Old Browser Warning
P3P Policy
plg_content_geshi
PLG_CONSOLE_AKEEBABACKUP
AkeebaStrapper rev699A630-1420553182

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Re: Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by JAVesey » Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:57 pm

rgtr wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:30 pm
Does anybody know how to clean up Akeeba Backup, and Admin Tools ?
Why do you think that you need to do this? Admin Tools already works on J4 anyway.

I shouldn't worry about it; leave it to the extension developers.

Besides, the migration path will be J3.9.x --> J3.10.x --> J4.0.x
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Re: Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by rgtr » Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:39 pm

John
The problem is the junk which has been lying around for years....
I have been using the migration path, and then one has a site which ought to but doesn't upgrade.
One needs a methodology to work out what is going awry.
The developers cannot cater for every mishap that has happened to every user over the last decade ... I was software developer for 20 years, and I understand the problem.
The news group I used - and I had better not name for fear of a blast of emails saying I am advertising and getting off the subject always assisted, and politely corrected.
There is a problem [a big one for many] that one common way of cleaning up is to remove an extension, and then reinstall it. This causes J4 to crash if done at that level, and if done earlier, causes a whoops on the 3.10 to 4 step. Problem is the "whoops please tell us message" does NOT give even the module let alone the line no where the crash occurred.
Error trappers are an art, and the one we developed was quite good - allowing us to fix often within hours.

Question is where do I publish the results of my research ... have now sort of sorted Akeeba.

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Re: Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by toivo » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:55 am

rgtr wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:39 pm
Question is where do I publish the results of my research
If it is an issue in Joomla 4, use the Joomla! Issue Tracker - CMS or if you want a sounding board for ideas, then in the Joomla CMS Discussions in Github.
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Re: Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by rgtr » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:52 am

Thanks for the heads up.

Very helpful.

When one removes something in Joomla 4 and it crashes - then its a J4 problem.
I tried removing Akeeba - is that a J4 problem, or an Akeeba one ?

Is there going to be an error trapper for J4 soon ? Or is there a setting I need to change.

I am used to being able to demonstrate things by reference to a web site. Is this really banned ? For example having a sticky header and breadcrumbs is something which I specified in 2006. See the web site associated with my email address. Its java script and static of course.

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Re: Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by toivo » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:42 am

rgtr wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:52 am
I tried removing Akeeba - is that a J4 problem, or an Akeeba one ?
At the moment Joomla 4 is in its Beta stage. Extension developers like Akeeba are no doubt interested in feedback, especially in the Release Candidate stage, but during Beta testing Joomla 4 is still updated daily and extensions like Akeeba Backup and Admin Tools do not release update so frequently.

As a test, happened to install from the web both Akeeba Backup and Admin Tools and then uninstalled them in Beta7-dev using PHP 8.0.1 and the error reporting level 'Maximum'. A few messages were displayed in each case and one table from Akeeba Backup was left behind but the components were uninstalled and the site was still working.
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Re: Cleaning up for Joomla 4.0

Post by toivo » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:53 pm

rgtr wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:52 am
I am used to being able to demonstrate things by reference to a web site. Is this really banned ?
If your Joomla site has an issue, including the URL is recommended and often also necessary so that our volunteers review the configuration and give proper assistance.

Rather than showing a link to a non-Joomla website, it would be better to include just a screenshot. If you want to find out if there is a Joomla extension that implements a particular function, which requires viewing or hands-on experience, you can show a broken link, for example by including spaces in the domain name.

The rules of this forum are strict about self promotion. Any posts seen advertising one's own extensions or services and referring to blog posts or forum topics to a similar effect will be removed.
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