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Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by emseedee » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:08 am

Hi, all,

Although I've played around a bit with J3.x, I'm still very much a newbie and rely heavily on the online documentation. I've just built a new webserver (at home, for a personal web site), and at the behest of the Joomla.org website I've installed J4.0.4, but now I'm struggling to find relevant documentation. It seems that pretty much all of the stuff published on the joomla.org site relates to J3.x and I'm starting to wonder if I'd be better staying with that?

Or is there a new drop of J4 documentation just around the corner?

Thanks
Mike

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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by gws » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:11 am

I would persevere with J4,no point learning old technology. You will get a lot of help on the forums if you have problems and the docs will be updated.
You may find this useful. https://magazine.joomla.org/all-issues/ ... e-the-core

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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by Webdongle » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:38 am

If it's just to learn then J4 but if you are close to building a site then J3. There are a lot more extensions for J3 at the moment. By the time J3 is eol and there are a lot more extensions for J4 then you will have learnt enough by then to 'pick up' J4 quickly.
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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by ceford » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:58 pm

Try the Joomla 4 Tutorials page: https://docs.joomla.org/JDOC:Joomla_4_Tutorials_Project

There is not a lot there at the moment but we are working on it. Also the Help pages that you see the button for at the top of most Admin screens. I would stick with Joomla 4 but consult the Joomla 3 Documentation if you can't find what you need for Joomla 4. Much remains very similar. As you have kit at home you could create multiple sites in different folders. I have 10 or more sitting on my lap right now. Just set the cookie path to point to the installation subfolder in Global Configuration.

Then come back here with specific Joomla 4 questions. I don't follow Joomla 3 Forums any more - too confusing!

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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by Webdongle » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:09 pm

ceford wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:58 pm
... Just set the cookie path to point to the installation subfolder in Global Configuration.
...
No need
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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by ceford » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:26 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:09 pm
ceford wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:58 pm
... Just set the cookie path to point to the installation subfolder in Global Configuration.
...
No need
You can get odd behaviour if you have the same component installed and in use in different folders on the same domain, such as localhost. For example, if you are comparing behaviour in J4 with that in J3. I have been doing that a lot recently. I think the cookie path is set for the domain unless specified in GC - I could be mistaken.

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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by Webdongle » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:36 pm

ceford wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:26 pm
....

You can get odd behaviour if you have the same component installed and in use in different folders on the same domain, such as localhost. For example, if you are comparing behaviour in J4 with that in J3. I have been doing that a lot recently. I think the cookie path is set for the domain unless specified in GC - I could be mistaken.
Will have to test that with J4 but never happened with J3. Besides aren't the cookies stored in the visiting browsers folder not in the localhost/host server folder?
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Re: Is J 4.x ready for newbies?

Post by enmeduranki » Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:40 pm

emseedee wrote:
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:08 am
Hi, all,

Although I've played around a bit with J3.x, I'm still very much a newbie and rely heavily on the online documentation. I've just built a new webserver (at home, for a personal web site), and at the behest of the Joomla.org website I've installed J4.0.4, but now I'm struggling to find relevant documentation. It seems that pretty much all of the stuff published on the joomla.org site relates to J3.x and I'm starting to wonder if I'd be better staying with that?

Or is there a new drop of J4 documentation just around the corner?

Thanks
Mike
Thank you, Mike. I thought it was just me! I will be posting specific questions on this forum as I have not found some basic info elsewhere. I appreciate this forum being here.

Craig


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