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Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:10 am

I have from years a multilanguage site [removed].

Now, updating to Joomla 4 (default template Cassiopeia), I have a "Forbidden" problem with the italian language (the default language is the english one).

"Rewrite URL" is enabled in global configuration.

The "htaccess" file is the J4 original one (htaccess.txt renamed htaccess). The "strange" think is that if I add "index.php" to the italian link I have no error (see redirect3.jpg). Also any internal italian page linked from menus works.... except the Home that is forbidden. :eek:

Redirects 301 (see the images) are made from htaccess or from code of Joomla4 ???

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Webdongle » Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:57 am

Could be caused by your incorrect update method
ezio2000 wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:33 pm
...
- downloaded the package "Joomla_3.10.x_to_3.10.12-Stable-Patch_Package.tar.gz"
- unzipped the package
- updated all the unzipped package files via FTP

...
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Thu Jan 18, 2024 12:14 pm

You have a Problem with mod_security on the Server.

Look at the Server Logs for clues.

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 2:48 pm

SOLVED (from the support team of the server).

Upgrading from J3 to J4 has been automatically created (why ??? ) in the "public_html/" folder an empty folder called "it".

The redirect to this empty folder caused the Forbidden error: folder has been renamed to "it_" and the problem has been solved.

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Webdongle » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:01 pm

Only server admin can rectify the mistakes that you make on the server. When you have made many more mistakes you might learn how paths on a server work.
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:28 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:01 pm
Only server admin can rectify the mistakes that you make on the server. When you have made many more mistakes you might learn how paths on a server work.
The "it" folder has NOT been created from me nor the server admin, so there is not a my mistake.
The "it" folder has been created in the public "public_html" folder: If I had noticed the folder I could have easily renamed it myself, avoiding the support ticket.
My mistake was not realizing that Joomla 4 could create an "it" folder and that this folder would cause of redirect problems.

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Webdongle » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:06 pm

ezio2000 wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:28 pm
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My mistake was not realizing that Joomla 4 could create an "it" folder and that this folder would cause of redirect problems.
Joomla does not create a \it folder. If your site was being redirected to it then simply renaming it would produce a 404 response. I am not accusing you of lying I am simply saying that your explanation does not add up there is more to it than you realise.

I would suggest running the fpa https://forumpostassistant.github.io/docs/ and post the results here. There may be other problems that volunteers on the forum might recognise. Spotting problems now will save you a lot of time by sorting them now.
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by pe7er » Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:51 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:06 pm
ezio2000 wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:28 pm
...
My mistake was not realizing that Joomla 4 could create an "it" folder and that this folder would cause of redirect problems.
Joomla does not create a \it folder. If your site was being redirected to it then simply renaming it would produce a 404 response. I am not accusing you of lying I am simply saying that your explanation does not add up there is more to it than you realise.
Webdongle is right. If you check the official Joomla 4.4 repository at https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/tree/4.4-dev you can see that the \it folder is not part of Joomla.

Maybe an installed 3rd party extension created it?
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:54 pm

Joomla didn't create the folder, I certainly didn't create it, a plugin would also install its files in the folder (that is empty)... it doesn't remain that it was created during some maintenance intervention on the server. By whom and why remains a mystery.

In any case renaming the folder the site now works, all I have to do is fix a lot of minor details.

Session Path Writable: No ....................

The default path in DirectAdmin is : session.save_path = /opt/alt/php81/var/lib/php/session

not writable by Joomla but surely writable by the server (or the default path it would not make sense).

I can change it by DirectAdmin to: /tmp but so doing I can't see any change on the web site and I wonder if it is worth changing the default path..

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:55 pm

Delete the Open Base and the Sessions will work.

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Webdongle » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:09 pm

The main language of the site is Italian. Appending /it to your domain name produces a virtual url. For some reason someone created a physical \it folder.

Given
Joomla does not create a \it folder.
The server techs have no reason to create a \it folder
We do not have access to your server to create a \it folder

Then
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
You created the folder and, because you don't understand fully how Joomla works, forgot you created it while you were trying to fix your other errors.
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:38 pm

Per Yngve Berg wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 7:55 pm
Delete the Open Base and the Sessions will work.
I can't: master value (what I can change via DirectAdmin) is already empty.

[ redacted ]

From phpinfo:

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:48 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:09 pm
The main language of the site is Italian...
... You created the folder and, because you don't understand fully how Joomla works, forgot you created it while you were trying to fix your other errors.
The main language is set to english from years:

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Then... it's true that at 73 years I'm probably turning stupid but (even if it's true that I still don't know Cassiopeia well, while with Proto I did what I wanted)... it's also true that I've been managing the site for 13 years and I'm not yet at point of creating a folder on the site without realizing it. ;)

I received recently a server admin message which informed that there would be maintenance on the site: evidently, I don't know why and how, the problem arose in this way.
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Webdongle » Thu Jan 18, 2024 8:58 pm

OK so the main language is English but you have Italian so my statement about you creating the \it folder out of your confusion still stands. Good news for that is that it was not caused by a hacker :pop
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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:23 pm

Contact your host.

You are running php 8.1, but 7.4 is listed in Open Base

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Re: Problems on multilanguage site

Post by ezio2000 » Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:59 pm

Per Yngve Berg wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2024 10:23 pm
Contact your host. You are running php 8.1, but 7.4 is listed in Open Base
I have changed by DirectAdmin the Open_BaseDir, sobstituting 74 with 81 and adding the default session.savepath (/opt/alt/php81/var/lib/php/session).

In practice I don't see the slightest change managing the site, but it seems cleaner this way.

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