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Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:49 am

How to hide the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

So far I have used 'AdminExile' free version on Joomla 3x.

This plugin has saved me many times from malicious hackers.
Now I have the latest version of Joomla 4.0.
Is this plugin compatible with Joomla 4x?

If not, is there a similar extension/plugin that can hides the login URL?

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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by pe7er » Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:27 am

https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/adminexile/ doesn't list the extension as being compatible with Joomla 4.
Maybe you could test in on a test website (using Xampp on a local PC)?
Or contact the developer.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by JAVesey » Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:08 pm

pe7er wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:27 am
https://extensions.joomla.org/extension/adminexile/ doesn't list the extension as being compatible with Joomla 4.
Maybe you could test in on a test website (using Xampp on a local PC)?
Or contact the developer.
I think Michael Richey (the dev) had tested it with a beta-version of J4 and it was okay; he was waiting a while before testing on later releases in case of API changes (or similar).

I seem to recall checking it myself; I'll report back if I did :)
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:20 pm

Guys thank you for the answers.
At this point I have uninstalled the old version which was disabled.
I have to think about what I'm going to do.

Maybe in the meantime the author of 'AdminExile' publishes a version for Joomla 4x. It really is a great plugin.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by JAVesey » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:05 pm

IvanVk wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:20 pm
At this point I have uninstalled the old version which was disabled.
I have to think about what I'm going to do.
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Have you tried installing the current version of AdminExile on J4?

Worth take a look/read through some of the content on the dev's website ("RicheyWeb") :)
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:46 pm

No I did not.
I dare not install the current version 3.16.3 and test it.
In case something goes wrong, I will have a bigger problem than now.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by AMurray » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:23 am

Akeeba Admin tools has that exact function.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:02 am

@AMurray thank you for the advice.
I looked at the documentation for ‘Akeeba Admin tools’.
There are a lot of useful parts there.
It’s a fantastic product package but too complicated for me (from installation to setup).
Especially if I need to contact my hosting company and ask for a service, I want to avoid contacting them if possible.

BTW: 'Administrator secret URL parameter' and 'Change administrator login URL' are not supported in Core version. I just need that part of the package.

I am satisfied with 'AdminExile' and I'll wait for the author to publish a new version of Joomla 4x.

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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:22 pm

I found a temporary solution.
In the '.htaccess' file after "RewriteEngine On" I added code below

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##Blocking access to the web administrator eg http://www.site.com/administrator
RewriteRule (^|/)administrator(/|$) - [F]
In my testing , this code prevents access to the administrator panel on the website.
Since I access once every two weeks, this meets my needs.
This is a temporary solution until the author of "AdminExile" publishes a newer version for Joomla 4x.

It is not difficult for me to make changes to the ".htaccess" file once or twice in two weeks, when I want to access the 'Joomla Admin CP' on the website. It takes 1 minute.

So when I want to access 'Joomla Admin CP' on a website, I simply add a comment (in '.htaccess' file) in front, so it looks like this (#RewriteRule (^|/)administrator(/|$) - [F])

I hope this helps other forum members as well.

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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by sozzled » Sun Aug 22, 2021 8:41 pm

There have been a few of these hide-Joomla-admin-URL tools developed over the years; I've used a couple of them; I still use a couple of them with a couple of J! 3 websites. Yes, there is a feature in Akeeba Admin Tools as @Amurrray says. Alternatively you can redirect the URL somewhere else with a rule written in .htaccess; however, because I visit the backend of my websites several times a week (and, several times a day, in some cases), the number of times I would be enabling/disabling .htaccess would probably mean that the backend login form would be exposed for large amounts of time.

If you just want a simple plugin to [in effect] "hide" the Joomla backend login screen then it shouldn't be too difficult to write one. As an academic exercise, I'll play around with writing such a plugin but it's not my top priority at this time. 8)
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by brian » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:53 pm

The best and most performant option is always to use an htaccess file to set a username and password for the admin directory. This will always be more performant than any of the php based solutions recommended above as it blocks the access at a much earlier stage. It is also more convenient imho to have consistent urls across every site to access the admin instead of having to remember a secret key. (Something you cant put in a password manager.) A bonus is that if you have a static ip address then you will pass/fail the authentication automatically. Or if you are using username/password in the htaccess then you will not be asked for it repeatedly during the day.

Hiding the existence of the admin directory in an attempt to hide the fact your site is joomla is no security at all.

Using a php based protection can lead your site to be dos'ed because of the resources used on the server.

Using htaccess based protection just works.

And if you are concerned about howto set this up then it really couldnt be easier and there are a lot of online tools that will do it all for you.

This is a very good one and well documented https://www.mobilefish.com/services/htp ... erator.php
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by sozzled » Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:47 am

I agree with @brian that it's probably "best practice" to protect the backend of your J! website with .htpasswd and/or .htaccess. Having said that, everyone's different and some people just like to do things in another way. As for me, I don't have black-and-white view on what people want to do or what people should do. As I say, everyone's different. Third-party extension developers have capitalised on people's differences and that's why Michael Richey and Nick Dionysolopoulos (among others) have enjoyed some success.

So, while I unconditionally agree with @brian, everyone likes to add their own "condiments" to their software "soup". ;)

I'm going to have a play with writing a plugin ... just for the enjoyment of doing it. 8)
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:16 am

Hi guys, thank you for the detailed answers.

First of all, just to clarify something.
Only I access my website.
No one else will log in to the website and also to the administrator CP.

I am currently using the code listed above in the '.htacces' file, and it meets my needs.

However, as the set mentioned, frequent access to the admin CP on the website would also require frequent changes to the '.htaccess' file. But I don't do it often.

@sozzled:
I visit the backend of my websites several times a week (and, several times a day, in some cases), the number of times I would be enabling/disabling .htaccess would probably mean that the backend login form would be exposed for large amounts of time.
I agree with you, my login average is small and sometimes it takes a month for me not to log in to the web.

I installed 'AdminExile' after the first hacking of my website.
Another hacking attempt occurred.

But the hacker could not log in to the website because he did not know the secret additional code (.../administrator=sdj5/8wsjd$qwkdfdjkLUe+rtKasdkjf"#?%0deX)
That's what I realized when I logged on my web site and noticed another administrator.
I wrote about it here on the forum. So 'AdminExile' saved me

@sozzled:
If you just want a simple plugin to [in effect] "hide" the Joomla backend login screen
This is exactly what I want and I am currently doing it through the '.htaccess' file.

@brian:
The best and most performant option is always to use an htaccess file to set a username and password for the admin directory.
You cheered me up with this sentence. Also, thank you for the link. I will study the method specified there.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by AMurray » Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:51 pm

I hope that's not your REAL "secret" code you just posted in a PUBLIC forum!

As to .htaccess protection Admin Tools does that as well- Core version should do both the 'secret key' and htaccess /administrator folder protection. That's the top 2 features I use it for.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:17 am

AMurray wrote:
Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:51 pm
I hope that's not your REAL "secret" code you just posted in a PUBLIC forum!
Of course not, I wrote that just for example.
So far I have fixed the problem and I am currently using the '.htaccess' file.
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by ghepardus » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:30 am

To make it work version plg_sys_adminexile-3.16.3 with joomla 4.0.3 I modified the following:

adminexile.php
line 29 : $this->_app->isAdmin() --> $this->_app->isClient('administrator')
line 30 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 40 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 46 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 48 : $this->_app->isAdmin() --> $this->_app->isClient('administrator')

adminexile.xml
line 75 : type="usergroup" --> type="usergrouplist"
line 89 : type="usergroup" --> type="usergrouplist"

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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by pe7er » Mon Oct 04, 2021 7:11 am

Thanks for sharing your solution, ghepardus!

Could you please share it with the AdminExile developer too?
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:27 pm

@ghepardus
Thank you for your help,
However, at this moment I decided to use the '.htaccess' file.

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Post by Per Yngve Berg » Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:55 pm

Have you considered enabling 2FA?

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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by IvanVk » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:41 pm

I'm satisfied with the '.htaccess' by a solution, for now.

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Post by IvanVk » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:44 am

koppie wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:32 pm
Try this in Joomla 4
Thank you

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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by razor7 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:56 pm

ghepardus wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:30 am
To make it work version plg_sys_adminexile-3.16.3 with joomla 4.0.3 I modified the following:

adminexile.php
line 29 : $this->_app->isAdmin() --> $this->_app->isClient('administrator')
line 30 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 40 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 46 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 48 : $this->_app->isAdmin() --> $this->_app->isClient('administrator')

adminexile.xml
line 75 : type="usergroup" --> type="usergrouplist"
line 89 : type="usergroup" --> type="usergrouplist"
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Post by Nidzo2203 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:26 am

ghepardus wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:30 am
To make it work version plg_sys_adminexile-3.16.3 with joomla 4.0.3 I modified the following:

adminexile.php
line 29 : $this->_app->isAdmin() --> $this->_app->isClient('administrator')
line 30 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 40 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 46 : $this->_app->isSite() --> $this->_app->isClient('site')
line 48 : $this->_app->isAdmin() --> $this->_app->isClient('administrator')

adminexile.xml
line 75 : type="usergroup" --> type="usergrouplist"
line 89 : type="usergroup" --> type="usergrouplist"
Long time AdminExile user on J3.
I change code exactly, admin interface doesn't show errors but I can still access backend with /administrator url!?
Joomla 4.1.4

EDIT: It works only if Counterfeit 404 is selected. Doesn't work with Homepage and Custom destination option.

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Post by razor7 » Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:07 pm

Just rewrote it for J4, hope it helps, no support given, but I'm using in my own J4 sites...
plg_sys_adminexile-4.0.0.zip
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Re: Hiding the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

Post by vsudo » Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:38 pm

IvanVk wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:49 am
How to hide the login URL of the Joomla 4.0 site, like AdminExile

So far I have used 'AdminExile' free version on Joomla 3x.

This plugin has saved me many times from malicious hackers.
Now I have the latest version of Joomla 4.0.
Is this plugin compatible with Joomla 4x?

If not, is there a similar extension/plugin that can hides the login URL?

Thanks in advance
I think you should hide admin URL by proxy server like nginx or apache. Only allow access admin URL from allowed IPs!


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