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I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
I am on Joomla! 4.4.5, I set the Update Channel to "Joomla! Next" but it says there is no update available. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Are you trying to update to Joomla 4.4.6? Set Update Channel to "Default".
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Are you trying to update to 4.4.6 from 4.4.5, or to 5.x from 4.4.5? If only updating to 4.4.6, then you need the "default" channel. If migrating to 5.x then you need "Joomla Next".
Also, in either case, check the "minimum stability" option (on the same page as where you select the 'channel'). It should be noted as something like "Stable" and not "xxx Beta" or "xxx Release Candidate" (or anything other than "Stable").
If you are trying to migrate to 5.x (since your question is in the Migration and Upgrading to Joomla 5 forum) see https://docs.joomla.org/Joomla_4.4.x_to ... ep_by_Step.
The other thing that might prevent the update (4.x to 5.x) from proceeding is a lack of relevant system requirements. From what you have listed in your question, it seems OK.
However to be sure, can you please use the Forum Post Assistant (see the red box at the top of the forum screen under Forum Rules; this script needs to be uploaded to the same folder where Joomla is installed (it is not a Joomla extension).
Run the script from your browser, follow the instructions and paste the generated report into this forum thread. It will give us details of your current joomla install and basic hosting information so we can verify what you have given and what the report tells us is correct).
Also, in either case, check the "minimum stability" option (on the same page as where you select the 'channel'). It should be noted as something like "Stable" and not "xxx Beta" or "xxx Release Candidate" (or anything other than "Stable").
If you are trying to migrate to 5.x (since your question is in the Migration and Upgrading to Joomla 5 forum) see https://docs.joomla.org/Joomla_4.4.x_to ... ep_by_Step.
The other thing that might prevent the update (4.x to 5.x) from proceeding is a lack of relevant system requirements. From what you have listed in your question, it seems OK.
However to be sure, can you please use the Forum Post Assistant (see the red box at the top of the forum screen under Forum Rules; this script needs to be uploaded to the same folder where Joomla is installed (it is not a Joomla extension).
Run the script from your browser, follow the instructions and paste the generated report into this forum thread. It will give us details of your current joomla install and basic hosting information so we can verify what you have given and what the report tells us is correct).
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Thank you so far! Iam trying to UPGRADE to J5.x!
I do not get the option to update, nbo matter what update channel I select. I tried Next and Development. I do not get the pre-update check option, either
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I do not get the option to update, nbo matter what update channel I select. I tried Next and Development. I do not get the pre-update check option, either
here is the FPA:
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Session Path Writable: No . Must be Yes, ask your host to fix it.
Max. Upload Size: 32M | Max. POST Size: 32M . Both would be better set to 64M, usually you can adjust these in php options on your server.
Max. Upload Size: 32M | Max. POST Size: 32M . Both would be better set to 64M, usually you can adjust these in php options on your server.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
That has never been in an issue. I have had that notice for years on several websites since joomla 1.5 with different hosts. That never led to the current result
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
You know best.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your help, but in this case, I do.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Apart from the already mentioned Session Path, the FPA doesn't appear to present any other issues. I would get the session path resolved and then try again with the minor update (4.4.5 to 4.4.6 first; update channel, Default), then try the 4.4.6 > 5.1.2 migration.
Can you review the error log (as listed in FPA report: Log Errors To: /tmp/php_errors.log)? Report any errors back to the forum; the errors may give further clues as to the failure of the Joomla update from starting or displaying the pre-update check. Perhaps during this process when you try to rerun the update, you could enable Display errors, so they are immediately on screen.
Can you review the error log (as listed in FPA report: Log Errors To: /tmp/php_errors.log)? Report any errors back to the forum; the errors may give further clues as to the failure of the Joomla update from starting or displaying the pre-update check. Perhaps during this process when you try to rerun the update, you could enable Display errors, so they are immediately on screen.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Yes! Me too! I updated a test site to the latest J4 version and updated extensions that use the updater (German language needing an update seemed to be the blocker). I was then offered the Pre-Update Check for Joomla 5.1.2. Does that help?
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
I had something similar a while back.
Trying to skip the last J4 update to go straight to J5.
Joomla next would only show J5 after I had updated to the latest J4 version.
Try updating to J4.4.6 first and then to J5.
Trying to skip the last J4 update to go straight to J5.
Joomla next would only show J5 after I had updated to the latest J4 version.
Try updating to J4.4.6 first and then to J5.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
That would make sense but the docs don't mention you need to be first on the latest in the 4.4.x version series (just that you need to be running "a version" within the 4.4.x series).
https://docs.joomla.org/Joomla_4.4.x_to ... ep_by_Step
I don't seem to be able to access the Documentation wiki, I wonder if someone could add something to the effect of
"If the Update to 5.x doesn't seem to work, please ensure you're running the latest release of 4.4.x before attempting an update to 5.x" under the above documentation page, "Upgrade Step by Step" section.
https://docs.joomla.org/Joomla_4.4.x_to ... ep_by_Step
I don't seem to be able to access the Documentation wiki, I wonder if someone could add something to the effect of
"If the Update to 5.x doesn't seem to work, please ensure you're running the latest release of 4.4.x before attempting an update to 5.x" under the above documentation page, "Upgrade Step by Step" section.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Okay, I tested upgrading to J5 from J4.4.5 (skipping 4.4.6).
You have to have the latest version of J4 to be able to upgrade to J5 through the Joomla Updater.
You cannot skip the last J4 update to go straight to J5. Even Joomla Next gives you the latest J4 update first before you can upgrade to J5.
Unlike KEComm I did get an update notice... for J4.4.6.
So this issue of not getting an update notice still stands, right?
Can you update to J4.4.6 using the Default update channel?
What happens when you press Check for updates and/or Reinstall Joomla! core files?
You have to have the latest version of J4 to be able to upgrade to J5 through the Joomla Updater.
You cannot skip the last J4 update to go straight to J5. Even Joomla Next gives you the latest J4 update first before you can upgrade to J5.
Unlike KEComm I did get an update notice... for J4.4.6.
So this issue of not getting an update notice still stands, right?
Can you update to J4.4.6 using the Default update channel?
What happens when you press Check for updates and/or Reinstall Joomla! core files?
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
I am on 4.4.6 still no notice. I tried uninstalling German. It says it is the default language despite having changed that. (Yes I double checked Admin and Site!)
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tried to update from joomla 4.x to 5.2 getting erros
I have the same error. I was on 4.4.6 However the system told me that there was no update availeable despite me being on the Joomla Next channel. So I installed the Joomla! 5.1.2 Upgrade Package via 'upload and update'. The result is the above error.
mysqli_sql_exception
ExecutionFailureException
mysqli_sql_exception
HTTP 500 Whoops, looks like something went wrong.
Unknown column 'a.ordering' in 'order clause'
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mysqli_sql_exception
HTTP 500 Whoops, looks like something went wrong.
Unknown column 'a.ordering' in 'order clause'
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
All not relevant. The question was asked before: "Did you run the Pre-Update Check?" What did you get, and why did you ignore it?
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Fix the problems you have been requested to fix first.
Check the database with Joomla's admin
Disable com_jchoptimize and clear both Joomla and browser cache
Check the database with Joomla's admin
Disable com_jchoptimize and clear both Joomla and browser cache
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
I see MySitesGuru in the plugins: can you update through that service?
Run a copy of your site locally and see if you can update that to J5.
Use WAMP (often recomended here)/MAMP (Mac)/XAMPP/Laravel Herd, etc.
The advantage of running a copy locally you can test things without destroying the live site:
JCH minimises stuff. Maybe it does too much... I don't know, I have never used it.
What happens when you disable it?
Akeeba makes excellent extensions, but...
What happens when you disable System - Backup on update plugin
Run a copy of your site locally and see if you can update that to J5.
Use WAMP (often recomended here)/MAMP (Mac)/XAMPP/Laravel Herd, etc.
The advantage of running a copy locally you can test things without destroying the live site:
JCH minimises stuff. Maybe it does too much... I don't know, I have never used it.
What happens when you disable it?
Akeeba makes excellent extensions, but...
What happens when you disable System - Backup on update plugin
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Thanks some good hints there. I have actually tried to update a copy of the site.
I tried mysitesguru but get an error message, that there is no update path available.
I made a copy of the site and one after the other uninstalled all third party plugins. To no avail. I just never get the pre-update check. Then I went hardcore and manually uploaded and installed the update package (from 4.4.6 to 5) but then I only get a 503 error on the front as well as on the backend.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Would you pm me a link to the jpa backup file please?
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
I have your jpa file
Installed on localhost
front end returns a 500 error
renamed .htaccess No Avail
Checked livesite ... No value so that's not why.
robots.txt renders
Looking to see if there is a quick fix
/administrator shows the error
The apcu Cache Storage is not supported on this platform
Addendum
Edited apcu in configuration.php
Once in /administrator
Checking for updates does not offer 'Reinstall core files'
Used upload and update to inclemently update to J4.4.9
each time asked to log in then updated
Still no avail
Each time updated with error
error log says
error log says
Installed on localhost
front end returns a 500 error
renamed .htaccess No Avail
Checked livesite ... No value so that's not why.
robots.txt renders
Looking to see if there is a quick fix
/administrator shows the error
The apcu Cache Storage is not supported on this platform
Addendum
Edited apcu in configuration.php
Once in /administrator
Checking for updates does not offer 'Reinstall core files'
Used upload and update to inclemently update to J4.4.9
each time asked to log in then updated
Still no avail
Each time updated with error
error log says
Used upload and update to 5.2.0 and crashed with a 500 page2024-10-28T18:32:03+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Test logging
2024-10-28T18:32:03+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Uploading update file
2024-10-28T18:32:15+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update File [ROOT]\tmp\ju2E5D.tmp downloaded.
2024-10-28T18:32:15+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Starting installation of new version.
2024-10-28T18:33:03+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Finalising installation.
2024-10-28T18:33:03+00:00 ERROR 127.0.0.1 update An error has occurred while running "JoomlaInstallerScript::preflight". Code: 0. Message: Script::preflight finished with "false" result..
error log says
2024-10-28T18:35:54+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Test logging
2024-10-28T18:35:54+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Uploading update file
2024-10-28T18:37:40+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Test logging
2024-10-28T18:37:40+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Uploading update file
2024-10-28T18:37:46+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update File [ROOT]\tmp\ju53C3.tmp downloaded.
2024-10-28T18:37:46+00:00 INFO 127.0.0.1 update Starting installation of new version.
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Same result, as I see... Looks like it will be a pain in the hole to rebuild the site in J5
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Re: I set the Update Channel to Next but get no update
Refreshed the files from the files of the Joomla full package of the same version.
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Noticed in the database
Looked into the database a little more. The 'manifest_cache' field of the 'extensions' table is empty for all extensions.
It appears your database is corrupt.
Chasing errors imho is a waste of time. Think 1 - 10 - 100 and rebuild from a fresh J5 (fwiw) is my advice
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Noticed in the database
Looked into the database a little more. The 'manifest_cache' field of the 'extensions' table is empty for all extensions.
It appears your database is corrupt.
Chasing errors imho is a waste of time. Think 1 - 10 - 100 and rebuild from a fresh J5 (fwiw) is my advice
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