Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

A place to discuss recent announcements made by the Joomla! Core Team. Let's hear what you have to say.
Locked
User avatar
pe7er
Joomla! Master
Joomla! Master
Posts: 24929
Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:55 pm
Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands
Contact:

Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by pe7er » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:17 pm

Here you can discuss about the release of Joomla 4.2.7

See Announcement: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=999477
Kind Regards,
Peter Martin, Global Moderator
Company website: https://db8.nl/en/ - Joomla specialist, Nijmegen, Netherlands
The best website: https://the-best-website.com

User avatar
PhilTaylor-Prazgod
Joomla! Ace
Joomla! Ace
Posts: 1402
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:32 pm
Location: Jersey, Channel Islands
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by PhilTaylor-Prazgod » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:54 pm

Once again, as Im banned from contributing to the project - and cannot report this anywhere else - I'll just leave this here.

Joomla 4.2.7 has a code error in a security fix. It should be fixed and a new version should be immediately released.

Joomla 4.2.7 cannot be used on any version in the PHP 7.2 series (which is above the published technical requirements https://downloads.joomla.org/technical-requirements) because once again a last moment "security fix" added to Joomla 4.2.7 at release time was untested in older PHP versions and contains code incompatible with all PHP versions less than PHP 7.3 - that is, Joomla 4.2.7 is no longer compatible with any PHP 7.2 version - despite the published technical requirements of Joomla 4 stating it should be.

Evidence: https://3v4l.org/vtB1U

The Commit that caused this error: https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/co ... 3a3fa22df6

Someone should post this here https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/issues - but of course I cannot as my input is not valued.
Last edited by PhilTaylor-Prazgod on Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:43 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Phil Taylor
- https://mySites.guru - Manage Multiple Joomla/WordPress Sites In One Dashboard for Security, Audits, Backups and more....
- https://www.phil-taylor.com/

JasnaSontag
Joomla! Enthusiast
Joomla! Enthusiast
Posts: 242
Joined: Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:58 am
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by JasnaSontag » Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:04 pm

PhilTaylor-Prazgod wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:54 pm
Joomla 4.2.7 has a code error in a security fix. It should be fixed and a new version should be immediately released.
Thank you

I updated on 4.2.7 in WAMP and nothing appear on php 8.2.1 so I turned back to 8.1.0
Everything else looks good.

User avatar
PhilTaylor-Prazgod
Joomla! Ace
Joomla! Ace
Posts: 1402
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:32 pm
Location: Jersey, Channel Islands
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by PhilTaylor-Prazgod » Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:55 pm

I updated on 4.2.7 in WAMP and nothing appear on php 8.2.1 so I turned back to 8.1.0
Unrelated to the code issue Im talking about.

Hell, Joomla 4's official system requirements RECOMMEND PHP 8.0 - that end of life, security releases only, series of PHP, you can't expect this project to actually work on PHP 8.2.1 right ;-) ;-)
Phil Taylor
- https://mySites.guru - Manage Multiple Joomla/WordPress Sites In One Dashboard for Security, Audits, Backups and more....
- https://www.phil-taylor.com/

User avatar
PhilTaylor-Prazgod
Joomla! Ace
Joomla! Ace
Posts: 1402
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:32 pm
Location: Jersey, Channel Islands
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by PhilTaylor-Prazgod » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:43 pm

Release Blocker for Joomla 4.2.8 - You're welcome.

https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/pull/39764
Phil Taylor
- https://mySites.guru - Manage Multiple Joomla/WordPress Sites In One Dashboard for Security, Audits, Backups and more....
- https://www.phil-taylor.com/

gws
Joomla! Champion
Joomla! Champion
Posts: 5883
Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:56 pm
Location: South coast, UK
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by gws » Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:48 pm

+1 @ Phil

SigridGR
Joomla! Apprentice
Joomla! Apprentice
Posts: 33
Joined: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:27 am

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by SigridGR » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:27 pm

The problem only effects Joomla installation, if you are on PHP 7.2.

We have tested the issue and here you can find more information in the Joomla Documentation:
https://docs.joomla.org/J4.x:Actionlogs ... ith_php7.2

Here is also the link to the PR in github:
https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/pull/39764

We have decided that we will stay within the current release cycle. The next Joomla release 4.2.8 will be in 6 weeks.

Thanks Phil for reporting it.
Long time Joomla user - since 1.0.x
not active in forum, daily in Mattermost

Joomla CMS Release Team Lead
https://volunteers.joomla.org/teams/cms-release-team

xtremo54
Joomla! Intern
Joomla! Intern
Posts: 60
Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:00 pm

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by xtremo54 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:31 pm

I don't use PHP 7.2.......so is it OK to update with this release?

SigridGR
Joomla! Apprentice
Joomla! Apprentice
Posts: 33
Joined: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:27 am

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by SigridGR » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:32 pm

yes, you can update.
The update process itself is not broken on 4.2.7 - just the action log view showed an error message.
Long time Joomla user - since 1.0.x
not active in forum, daily in Mattermost

Joomla CMS Release Team Lead
https://volunteers.joomla.org/teams/cms-release-team

xtremo54
Joomla! Intern
Joomla! Intern
Posts: 60
Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:00 pm

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by xtremo54 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:40 pm

SigridGR wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:32 pm
yes, you can update.
The update process itself is not broken on 4.2.7 - just the action log view showed an error message.
Many thanks!

User avatar
Rondeb
Joomla! Guru
Joomla! Guru
Posts: 623
Joined: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:14 pm
Location: Meschede - Germany
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by Rondeb » Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:14 pm

Update 15 J4 sites with no problems.

Thanks Joomla Team.

:)

User avatar
toivo
Joomla! Master
Joomla! Master
Posts: 17352
Joined: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:48 am
Location: Sydney, Australia

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by toivo » Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:16 am

Localhost and remote sites updated to 4.2.7 smoothly, as usual. Thank you teams and individuals involved in developing, testing and releasing the update!
Toivo Talikka, Global Moderator

User avatar
JurajB
Joomla! Guru
Joomla! Guru
Posts: 624
Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:28 pm

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by JurajB » Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:19 am

administrator/index.php?option=com_joomlaupdate&task=update.finalise&6f7d684ba5a34dda6985fd82c7602920=1
Sorry, there was a problem we could not recover from.
The server returned a "500 - Whoops, looks like something went wrong."

Besides this Joomla! works correctly on 4.2.7

User avatar
formfranska
Joomla! Enthusiast
Joomla! Enthusiast
Posts: 177
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:25 pm
Location: Sweden
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by formfranska » Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:12 pm

Multiple sites updated smoothly. Thank you J Team 👍🏽😊🙏🏽
YOOtheme Version 3.0.22
PHP 8.1.13 and PHP 8.1.14
Joomler in Sweden :-)
https://www.formfranska.com

User avatar
AMurray
Joomla! Exemplar
Joomla! Exemplar
Posts: 9638
Joined: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:35 am
Location: Australia

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by AMurray » Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:03 pm

two live sites updated no issue.

one localhost (Wampserver) site seemed to update but it also appeared to stall at 52% on the progress indicator.

I had to restart WAMPServer, and browser and Joomla 4.2.7 came up as if it had succeeded with no immediate indication of issues.
Regards - A Murray
General Support Moderator

User avatar
Triplicate
Joomla! Enthusiast
Joomla! Enthusiast
Posts: 131
Joined: Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:07 pm
Contact:

Re: Discuss Joomla! 4.2.7

Post by Triplicate » Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:41 pm

Rondeb wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:14 pm
Update 15 J4 sites with no problems.

Thanks Joomla Team.

:)
How much to do my site?

I don't find this so easy and I'm not alone by a long shot. There are plenty of experts here I respect that can't bring this to an easy resolution. Sure I've got a handful of modules/plugins and I'm proud of that. This is just one thread and there are endless problems in general with this 500 error alone among all the other upgrade issues.

To me this shows there is something fundamentally wrong with the whole process. Joomla can't stop from getting in it's own way!

I believe also that it SHOULD BE "no problems" as you say, but for everyone, clearly it's not that way.

Think about it... we have a Joomla 4 version (or any new version of the future) that places demands and complexities on all previous versions, modules and plugins of Joomla that DISALLOWS a clean upgrade path by deeming the past coder files useless and thus breaking everything. The Doctor says "here take this pill but don't forget it could cause serious illness or death". I don't want to risk taking this pill anymore. The risks are too high and completely insane!

I know the train has left the station and it's too late, but given all the issues and problems with v4 I'm seeing in these threads on this forum, it clearly was not ready for prime time when it was first released. Even with 4.2.7 it seems like a beta product. Remember Microsoft Bob?

Only the Core Developers know what the new demands are but do nothing with that knowledge in helping identify the OFFENDING FILES and/or code violations of the past. "Joomla Update" is not enough. It seems to me these same people should provide scripts, utilities and other software tools to run on old sights to provide us admins at least the names of the offending files. THEY HAVE ALL THE INFO TO DO IT!. So these coders that bring us this great Joomla major software upgrades appear to care less about past events and the future issues we face trying to migrate forward.

Imagine if all the module and plugin developers who provide us with one click updates have mostly unsuccessful update messages and just keep braking stuff constantly. Well, that's what I see going on with every new major Joomla upgrade now.

This leaves us with all the dedicated volunteers here in these forums trying desperately to help others with a plethora of upgrade issues and have little to no knowledge or tools to be able to identify specific files that are the real reasons upgrades are failing. Joomla Upgrade has the right idea but is in it's infancy as to what's required to do pain free upgrades/migrations now.

This is my situation, link below, and I feel helpless on moving forward to newer Joomla versions despite of all the great people here trying to help me. I've been here since Mambo so I've been around and seen a lot of things. I can easily see how the volunteers hands are tied not having the appropriate software tools and or core knowledge. (mentioned above) Maybe it's time for a new CMS?

Help us help these great volunteers!

[link removed]

Regards
Ed
Last edited by pe7er on Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: This topic is to discuss the release of Joomla 4.2.7. Please do not use it to link to your Joomla 3.10.11 to 4.2.7 migration question to get help.
The best is good enough!


Locked

Return to “Announcements Discussions”