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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by infograf768 » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:02 am

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by hotnuts21 » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:17 am

Just reading through the foundations new website (i Bet they rushed to get that up ;)) and I notice there is no price or cost information ANYWHERE on their site for an ordinary member, which seems very strange.

Also I find the fact that if you want to be a 3pd member, then it would cost you $1000!! So if you develop free and open source components, mods and bots, and you want to be recognised for doing that, you have to pay for the priveledge, isnt that arse backwards?

I also found it shocking that any member of the Dev team HAS to be a member of the foundation, so if you want to contribute code, time and energy, you have to pay for the priveledge. No wonder the devs are leaving.

When I went bed last night I was still hopeful that maybe something would be sorted between the devs and Miro so this project could continue as one under the name mambo, but alas this morning I fear this is not possible.

What a shame this is, another example of greedy people wanting to ruin something that is good and pure.

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by BSD » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:30 am

I felt kind of sick while reading all that crap about "freedom" of software and work of community on their Foundation site. Isn't it kind of hypocritical to speak of "freedom" while charging loads of money so that a dev may work on "free" software. They've take the fame and now it's time to take all the cash possible.
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by netshine » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:31 am

Guess I'm a bit late to the party - I only found out today what has been going on. 

At first when I saw the foundation announcement I thought "oh, a foundation. ok."  Only when I saw the dev team's letter did I investigate further. 

A foundation which is hand-picked by Miro CEO, requires you to become a member by paying a fee if you are to have a say, which bans core developers from its forum because they happen to disagree, and which generally fails to offer any justification for its actions.  Sounds more like a dictatorship than a foundation. 

At first I reserved judgement, but having read a number of the discussion posts I'm firmly behind the dev team and will be directing people here from my website.  I think this is all very sad, especially the loss of the name mambo, as it is such a strong brand, but so be it.

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by BSD » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:34 am

I think this is all very sad, especially the loss of the name mambo, as it is such a strong brand, but so be it.
Yes, loosing the name is rather sad but freedom seems quite expensive these days.  :)
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by Ivo » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:40 am

This is some bad news, for the whole development process. But it is good news that this stays open-source an will be free, and will continue to be managed troug the community!

A new name? OSM maybe? Or just a whole new name with no links to Miro, Mambo or anyhting like that. In that way, mutiny cms is also not a good name...

I hope to hear soon what will be going on with this and when new releases will come out.

Maybe I can help in some way...
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by manuman » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:44 am

Ivo wrote:This is some bad news, for the whole development process.
Not really... the Core devs are all here and still working hard on the next release. The rest of the teams are just as committed so whilst things may take a few days to calm down, everything should soon get back to normal.
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by enjoy777 » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:51 am

netshine wrote: I think this is all very sad, especially the loss of the name mambo, as it is such a strong brand, but so be it.
Yes I agree that all is very sad, and Mambo is very strong brand with many awards...
But what is the main power of this project ... all of us, dev team, docs team, translators and more our strenght is our community, why mambo win so many awards because many people from whole world, test, work with it, translate it etc. As I think in next edition of Best Open Source Solution will be for our new CMS .
Freedom, independent is very important but ... the most is community

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by Ivo » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:00 am

manuman wrote:
Ivo wrote:This is some bad news, for the whole development process.
Not really... the Core devs are all here and still working hard on the next release. The rest of the teams are just as committed so whilst things may take a few days to calm down, everything should soon get back to normal.
Ok, that is very good to hear! Keep up the good work!
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by Zarvin » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:02 am

It sad that Miro does something like this. Community made Mambo to avard winning software and now Miro just want to make some money. That's sad.

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by funmaking » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:16 am

The power of simplicity of a open source project... Mambo was that and it continue being the same. If the Miro´s team want to take advantage of the work of all of us (developers, designers, community founders, translators, etc,) they are going to find a problem. They are going to loose the heart and the soul of the mambo project's. The growing community will stop and will born a new community with another name where Miro won't be nothing.

MamboHispano and me like his webmaster are with the developers and we support the new project. I want to collaborate with you.

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by vavroom » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:31 am

Dikud wrote: We open uour faces in avatars - let's Miro open their faces or say something reasonable.
I like that.  I'm dropping my kiwi roadsign and opening up my face (as ugly as it is...)

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by netshine » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:40 am

It took me a while to grasp exactly what had happened, so I wrote a brief summary for the benefit of my customers which may be of interest:

http://www.netshinesoftware.com/the-death-of-mambo.html

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by Zimba » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:43 am

Dear Mambo Core Team, we are happy happy you have made a stand!
Me and my dog Zimba stay behind you:-)

What about new name Zimba CMS :-)

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by happy_noodle_boy » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:45 am

Still gonna wait to see how this plays out before making any final decisions, but right now, I think the mosCE project will follow the core dev. Whatever is best for Open Source, and all it stands for.

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by gsbe » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:47 am

happy_noodle_boy wrote: Still gonna wait to see how this plays out before making any final decisions, but right now, I think the mosCE project will follow the core dev. Whatever is best for Open Source, and all it stands for.
Thanks, Ryan. Its important that developers of 3rd party addons be aware of the situation and prepare to take a stand...or get out their pocketbooks and play fair. Cheers to you - mosCE is a fabulous mambot.
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Post by Dikud » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:50 am

And Zimba w. Balls CMS - for real men only ;)
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by gsbe » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:54 am

netshine wrote: It took me a while to grasp exactly what had happened, so I wrote a brief summary for the benefit of my customers which may be of interest:

http://www.netshinesoftware.com/the-death-of-mambo.html
Thanks very much for posting this. You always write in a style that is easy to read and follow. Cheers to you for all that you've done for the community with your excellent quick start guides, posts, et al.
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by Robin » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:58 am

Just glad i found this spot, a lot of other mambers did as well so to see. For now, just want to say i support the mambo team !

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by netshine » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:59 am

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by happy_noodle_boy » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:06 am

For me, this issue is going to be decided on a matter of principle, not on the popularity or ratings of the software produced.

Make a stand against capitalist exploitation, keep the Open Source flag flying, and I'll be with you.  :D
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by de » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:10 am

In the end it may a good path. The connection to Miro was always something distracting.
I hope the financial aspect will not the one preventing the success (as I believe this is the only thing Miro added). Somehow I could even imagine that Miro gives up sooner or later... the community is one of the key factors of Mambo (beside the ddevelopers of course)... so what will they do without them behind all? Not to mention that they now have a proven bad reputation.

Btw. if the new thing really going to happen... I would be glad if it were possible to detect which version an addon is running on... I would mine prevent it from doing their work with Mambo 4.5.3+ instead of Mutinity 4.5.3+ (or whatever the name would be).

Btw. is it against the rules to put the link to here in the signature overthere?

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Post by vavroom » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:12 am

de wrote: Btw. is it against the rules to put the link to here in the signature overthere?
I don't believe it's in the written rules, but try it, and find yourself banned :)  No worries though, no great loss to you to not have access *there* anymore...  plus you'd join a neat club of banned people, including me ;)

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by happy_noodle_boy » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:13 am

What about an asociation with Ubuntu Linux and the Ubuntu Foundation? They seem to know what open source is all about.
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Post by Predator » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:15 am

vavroom wrote:
de wrote: Btw. is it against the rules to put the link to here in the signature overthere?
I don't believe it's in the written rules, but try it, and find yourself banned :)  No worries though, no great loss to you to not have access *there* anymore...  plus you'd join a neat club of banned people, including me ;)
A new suggestion Banned CMS  ;D
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by Tonie » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:17 am

Should be nice to have the total number of posts from people banned in the 'other' forum. Could be used to give an example of what they are going to miss.

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Post by TomT » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:19 am

absalom wrote: I'll see what Peter has to say this afternoon, and report back (hopefully) by tomorrow.
Hey Absalom, I'm looking forward to your report.

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Post by happy_noodle_boy » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:20 am

So what do you have to do there to get banned?
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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by walb » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:22 am

Just signed up in support of the core development team and see that a lot known people did see so too.
Funny to start on count 1.
How to get banned nice question?

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Re: Mambo Open Source Development Team - Letter to the community - Discussion

Post by infograf768 » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:25 am

RobInk wrote: Just glad i found this spot, a lot of other mambers did as well so to see. For now, just want to say i support the mambo team !
Go work in the Dutch Forum here, you lazy chap! They wait for you! LOL
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