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Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by ooffick » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:01 am

Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released here

Please see announcement for details: http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=811144

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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by brian » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:48 am

PLEASE NOTE - You must clear your browser cache after an upgrade (as documented) otherwise you will not see toolbar icons
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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by gavjof » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:53 am

Did I blink? 3.1.1 to 3.1.4.

What happened to 3.1.2 and 3.1.3?

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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by brian » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:57 am

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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by stutteringp0et » Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:25 pm

Clearing browser cache... That has crept up before and it confounded me then too. My buttons went missing and I came to the forums to find an answer - and an answer was found!

Thanks for mentioning that Brian!
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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by spacemonkey » Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:17 pm

brian wrote:PLEASE NOTE - You must clear your browser cache after an upgrade (as documented) otherwise you will not see toolbar icons
Came here just trying to figure out what happened - thanks Brian for once again stating the obvious ;)

That said, there's gotta be a better way to upgrade the platform without forcing a browser refresh, now isn't there?

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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by brian » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:27 pm

Mitch as you know thats a limit of the web :) - if you change a cached asset such as css then your only option is to force a refresh. I am submitting a patch this weekend so that you the user dont have to click refresh in your web broswer.

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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by stutteringp0et » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:24 pm

C'mon Brian, 2 people (myself included) pointed out our own shortcomings to express gratitude to you for reminding us about a mundane and not often *required* process that - YES - we should have remembered to do.

No need to be condescending. We were, after all, expressing gratitude to you at the expense of our own pride.

And there are two ways to update static resources without clearing browser cache.
1. The easiest way is to prevent those assets from being cached in the first place (expires headers) - but that causes greater data transfer.
2. The second easiest way is to alter the URI with a variable which causes the browser to load it as a new resource (/bla/this.css?update=20130727), but that requires modification of more than one file (the css update and the page(s) that load it)

Now that I think about it, it would be super easy to append the joomla version to css/js resources - preventing these cache issues. And it could be done within JDocument for any CSS/JS file loaded, with no other modifications except where those files aren't loaded via JDocument..... Just a thought.
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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by brian » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:57 pm

@stustteringpoet - sorry you misunderstood a personal joke between that Mitch (aka spacemonkey, joomla co-founder and good friend)

As to the serious point https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic ... 1ZQ94MCV9A
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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by stutteringp0et » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:31 pm

@Brian

Excellent news! I'm glad to hear/read that my instinct is on the money as far as the thoughts of you guys on the dev team. It inflates my ego a little (just a little)

I applied to join the group, but since that takes time I thought I'd pass this bit on. Your point that revealing the J! version is bad is something I hadn't considered (surprising that I didn't think of that because I have 2 extensions that are specifically designed to hide the J! version) and using the J! secret wouldn't work because it's basically static.

Why not hash the J! version salted with the config secret? Best of both worlds!

edit:nevermind - I read far enough to find that something similar was already mentioned - ego deflating (just a little)
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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by spacemonkey » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:17 pm

No worries stutteringp0et, that was just one grumpy old man giving a hard time to another grumpy old man ;)

We don't have to force people to refresh their browsers or empty cache, there are far simpler (and more elegant) ways to update your assets. Especially if you use a scm from the modern age like git, so it is trivial to rename files (that's just the low-tech solution, there are far more approaches).

Again, this is something we don't have to do, but we do, and the end user experience suffers for it. Time to join the new millennium! hehe

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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by brian » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:44 pm

@Mitch - I just submitted a feature request to handle this
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Re: Discuss Joomla! 3.1.4 Stable Released

Post by leolam » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:52 pm

@ Brian
/me feels like he is teaching his grandmother to suck egss
= similar to "história se repete" or "history repeats itself"

@ Mitch:
one grumpy old man giving a hard time to another grumpy old man
I must acknowledge and admire your ability to look in the mirror :: I feel personally touched/addressed as well :-)

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