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Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and more

Postby darb » Fri May 14, 2010 6:41 am

This is some interesting buzz of coming from the founder from Drupal Dries and how he and the Drupal community look at Joomla vs Drupal..

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http://people.joomla.org/groups/viewdis ... groupid=21

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http://buytaert.net/joomla-vs-drupal-bu ... -ecosystem
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby jextn » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:09 am

In my opinion he/they thinks that, Drupal is THE ONLY CMS in the world.
Lets talk with data, compare the popularity graph.
Drupal is well below the Joomla consistently all the time.
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and check this one, I am sure after the latest release of Joomla 1.6 it will even increase further.
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This google data speaks the truth, which CMS more popular in the world.
Building great CMS (Drupal..as per the http://buytaert.net/joomla-vs-drupal-bu ... -ecosystem) does not make any sense if it is not used by many people and if it is not popular.

As a reply to this they may say that, Google Trend Data is wrong. :-)
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby BlackBulletIV » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:56 am

Some interesting stats there; very revealing.

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Postby shibu » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:23 am

Hi,

I am sure after the latest release of Joomla 1.6 it will even increase further.

Technically Joomla1.6 will lead the Drupal with Advanced ACL. So surely the graph should be true.

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby jompoint » Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:31 pm

As a somewhat experienced Drupal developer and very experienced Joomla developer I can say that Joomla and Drupal are very different platforms and it is very hard to compare them. But I believe I know what is the main feature that stops Joomla from totally dominating the CMS world.

But I will try to make a short and sweet run down of where I prefer Drupal and what I love about Joomla.
Then I will say what I don't like :-[
Finally I will talk about the Holy Grail feature I just mentioned that will make Joomla compete and surpass fully Drupal.

First Joomla:
  • Very easy to customize
  • Relatively easy for a developer to make development modifications - low barrier to entry
  • Clear architecture once you get used to it - Menus, Sections, Categories(Soon to be categories only) and Articles, Components, Modules, Plugins and Core functionality
  • Very nice and friendly out of the box Admin Interface (!important)
  • Relatively good MVC architecture - it can be better (the best for me is CakePHP), but if it is done more by the book, then the barrier to entry will be raised so this should be highly debated
  • Huge amount of open-source and commercial extensions - with varying quality - from very low to ultra high
  • A very nice community

Second Drupal:
  • A lot harder to customize - but provides the same amount of options
  • Relatively hard for a developer to make development modifications - high barrier to entry -
    The problem is that Drupal requires a developer to know its core inside out - everything has to be done by the book with hooks and so forth - so to develop in Drupal means you have to know its huge API inside out - to good news is that this promotes good development practices and preserves very high security for the system
  • Its main benefit is also its main disadvantage - completely custom c-style framework - no object orientation (although it mimics some advanced php features like class autoload) - the style will be disgusting for many object-oriented developers
  • It comes with a few special features out-of-the-box - for example the system is well thought out for huge websites - the core has the necessary optimization(which you will have to configure nonetheless) for replication and ultra speed - but 95% of the regular users won't care about this :-)
  • The quality of the extensions is higher than average - this is because you have to be Really good to write a Drupal module ;-)
  • Abstract Nodes - again the pros and cons - every content is a node and node can be nothing and everything - this can be great from one point of view or a bad concept from another
  • And the most important feature I believe - integrated multi-language functionality into its core - For me and for many other Joomla fellows this is the biggest disadvantage of Joomla, but I will tell more about this in a second
  • The admin interface of Drupal is very Ugly and Non user-friendly. They have promised they will improve it for version 7, but haven't seen it yet so can't comment.
  • The community is as devoted as the community of Joomla

So what Joomla should do to blow out Drupal.
Implement multi-language functionality into its core.
Not with some third party components like Joomfish.

Not that I don't like Joomfish - it's a great component.
But the concept and the way it's working as a third-party functionality really bothers a lot of developers who want to make their third-party applications easily translatable and easy for the end users to use without going to a separate interface.

Joomla should have a complete multilingual platform working right from the start.
With table duplication of each table that holds translatable content.
This will be best for highest possible speed and optimization.
This should be integrated into the base model classes as well for ease of use by developers.

This will be a huge investment, but in 5 years down the road it will justify the cost - because at that time Joomla can climb to the top position for a CMS and stay there for good.

All other features will be easier to implement and integrate - they can even be part of minor versions. Let me know whether you think like me on this one. :-)

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby jompoint » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:34 pm

Just found out that Joomla 1.6 will support multilanguage:
http://vimeo.com/12814712

It will not fully replace the JoomFish features, but in general it will allow you to flag your content and then filter it by the selected language in the front end. This is great news for most of the multilingual websites. Joomla is a great platform :p
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Now it is up to us to create next generation of extensions that will have language filter functionality built-in.
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Postby alhad » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:20 am

We are in the process of developing a website using Joomla1.5 that is supposed to handle a sizable amount of traffic (at least 10000 users per day). Have I made a right choice of CMS? There is divided opinion on the internet about ability of Joomla to handle large traffic. Please help.
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby jompoint » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:15 pm

There is no problem for Joomla to handle large amounts of traffic.
You may need to tweak some settings and improve the caching mechanism, but overall Joomla works pretty well with high traffic.

See here:
http://community.joomla.org/blogs/commu ... uxcom.html

At the time of the interview Dan says that Linux.com gets +1.5 million uniques per month:

"We run a clustered environment for both our webservers and our databases, with database replication, mysql_proxy, caching on as many modules as possible"

For 10 000 users you won't need database replication and mysql_proxy.
Just a very good VPS or maybe a dedicated server - depending on how much you optimize your Joomla website.
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Postby alhad » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:30 pm

@ jompoint: thanx, that was useful. will continue with joomla. will let this community know the performance when the site reaches scale.
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Postby jompoint » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:35 pm

Great :). I am glad if my post helped you make the right decision.
Let me know if you run into any issues.
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Drupal Which new modules have been included in core and why?

Postby darb » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:09 am

Could be interesting to see "Which new modules have been included in core and why?"

to learn what core modules are into the core compared how we think here in Joomla community and leadership.

Example why is there a CCK in the core? (nodes) etc?

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Postby darb » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:15 am

alhad wrote:We are in the process of developing a website using Joomla1.5 that is supposed to handle a sizable amount of traffic (at least 10000 users per day). Have I made a right choice of CMS? There is divided opinion on the internet about ability of Joomla to handle large traffic. Please help.


This is an example of a Joomla web site that have 5+ million visitors per month so Its depend how you set up your CDN plattform etc its about hosting problem and not really today a CMS problem.

http://www.gazzetta.gr/
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Postby yudhis97 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:44 am

I had to make this tough decision 4 years back and I thank myself everyday for choosing Joomla over other CMS. Both drupal and joomla are strong projects. But I think drupal's strength is as a pure CMS. When it comes to modules v extensions, I think joomla wins easily.
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Postby Pomond » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:24 pm

I see Drupal versus Joomla as a question of two different solutions for different markets. One easy way for clients to decide what they should use is to ask: Do I have an internal, ongoing IT resource I can dedicate to running the site ... and maintaining the knowledge about how it's all put together?

If the answer to that question is Yes, then Drupal may be a very good fit. This is more the case at medium- to large-sized businesses with larger requirements for their Web site. (Note that this doesn't mean that Joomla wouldn't be a good fit in the same set of circumstances.)

If the answer to that question is No, then Joomla is probably a better choice. Given Joomla's greater out-of-the-box functionality and common structural setup (components/plugins/modules/articles & categories), I think it's easier and less expensive to launch a Joomla Web site.

Drupal is better for a completely custom-built solution where you have a budget of at least $15,000 to throw at site development. (Or you can work with a Drupal packaged solution provider, of which there are several, providing SaaS Drupal solutions.) One big reason why Drupal is a better fit for the enterprise market is that the enterprise has the money to pay for a specific solution. This also reflects how most Drupal-focused companies concentrate on selling into the enterprise market.

Joomla is a better fit for smaller budgets where some compromises may need to be made, but the solution gets the solution 99% of the way there. For most small- to medium-sized businesses with general Internet marketing and communications needs this is more than enough.

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby Agelor » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:12 pm

jextn wrote:This google data speaks the truth, which CMS more popular in the world.


So if the big crowd is using it, it most be good? Don't be naive..

If you take a look at which big companies and organisations are using Drupal and which are using Joomla then it is easily: Drupal > Joomla. Beside Joomla/Mambo made name before Drupal came into business..

I think there is no good or bad, one just fits better for the job then the other. Joomla is more popular at the regular users because it is easy to use like Wordpress. A lot of people here are to enthusiastic instead of realistic. It will be a tough fight to keep a position in the top3 open-source systems. But competition is good for development it improves the products.

I'm using Drupal, Joomla and Wordpress and in my opinion Joomla is getting behind. Wordpress is going for the easy to use CMS. While Drupal is going for the powerfull, flexible and easy to customize CMS. And Joomla..?
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby darb » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:38 am

Agelor wrote:
jextn wrote:This google data speaks the truth, which CMS more popular in the world.


So if the big crowd is using it, it most be good? Don't be naive..

If you take a look at which big companies and organisations are using Drupal and which are using Joomla then it is easily: Drupal > Joomla. Beside Joomla/Mambo made name before Drupal came into business..

I think there is no good or bad, one just fits better for the job then the other. Joomla is more popular at the regular users because it is easy to use like Wordpress. A lot of people here are to enthusiastic instead of realistic. It will be a tough fight to keep a position in the top3 open-source systems. But competition is good for development it improves the products.

I'm using Drupal, Joomla and Wordpress and in my opinion Joomla is getting behind. Wordpress is going for the easy to use CMS. While Drupal is going for the powerfull, flexible and easy to customize CMS. And Joomla..?


I agree with you about that analysis and hope the core devs here also undestand it. What steps should Joomla take to have their market share in future?

Many thing going on to make Joomla even more user friendly and I think Joomla must take this seriously to have there part of the WCM/CMS market otherwise Wordpress will be used as you said for small/easy projects and Drupal for larger and more complex projects and Joomla..? as you said? where does it fit?

This is a scary and possible rapidly changing market condition that could happen also with cpmpetition from big players with Cloud WCM/CMS SaaS services with low price different systems.
http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?p=1661859

Its a discussion here about Drupal vs Joomla too

http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=293156&p=2257683#p2257683

I would like to make Joomla J 1.7+ more user friendly too and one huge step would be to take away the (sections/)categories. Please join the discussion Why do Joomla need (sections)/categories? about it here: http://www.alltogetherasawhole.org/profiles/blogs/why-do-joomla-need

It was a big step to take away the sections :) http://groups.google.com/group/joomla-dev-cms/browse_thread/thread/a34c625cf8e5b2dd

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby darb » Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:27 pm

Agelor wrote:
jextn wrote:But competition is good for development it improves the products.

I'm using Drupal, Joomla and Wordpress and in my opinion Joomla is getting behind. Wordpress is going for the easy to use CMS. While Drupal is going for the powerfull, flexible and easy to customize CMS. And Joomla..?


About competition.
I believe and are more convinced than ever that the worst case scenario is that either Joomla and Drupal, Wordpress is alive within 5 years.

If you look at companies like Google http://www.google.com/corporate/history.html et al what they are doing with connecting everyone to Cloud/SaaS services and try to analyse what is left for Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress et al to do - its not much left that Google doesnt do for everyone, small companies, org and people, for free with their global advertising solutions.

What will Joomla Jomsocial be compared to innovative Google Fanbox http://www.fanbox.com/ with integrations of Google sites, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Docs and Google Talk integrated with your Android smart phone apps?

This segments are what Joomla does for small companies and people http://www.google.com/sites/help/intl/en/overview.html

I have seen a very low activity for many open source projects now like their lost their energy and innovation and seem like dying slowly - nobody react and they just diminishing.

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Postby TomT » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:19 am

Agelor wrote:I'm using Drupal, Joomla and Wordpress and in my opinion Joomla is getting behind. Wordpress is going for the easy to use CMS. While Drupal is going for the powerfull, flexible and easy to customize CMS. And Joomla..?


I'm using Joomla and Wordpress and what I see is there is hardly any development in Joomla. With version 3.0 Wordpress is a better CMS than Joomla 1.5: it has versioning and custom post types (CCK). Version 3.1 will be out at the end of the year with more new features. As far as I understand the only new things in Joomla 1.6 are ACL and layered groups. So we've been waiting for years for such a small step. And we have no idea when it will be released.
I have no idea what happened with Joomla, but I'm going to do more and more with Wordpress. Joomla seems to be a project of the past? To bad, because I still love the admin and the easy templating system and the modules etcetera. But the internet develops to fast for the Joomla development process.

Edit: I was wondering, is Joomla becoming a hobby project? Is the project saying goodbye to professionals? Because with this slow development and the fact that are no timetables for development, Joomla can't be relied on for professional use.

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Postby darb » Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:21 pm

TomT wrote:
Agelor wrote:I'm using Drupal, Joomla and Wordpress and in my opinion Joomla is getting behind. Wordpress is going for the easy to use CMS. While Drupal is going for the powerfull, flexible and easy to customize CMS. And Joomla..?


I'm using Joomla and Wordpress and what I see is there is hardly any development in Joomla. With version 3.0 Wordpress is a better CMS than Joomla 1.5: it has versioning and custom post types (CCK).


Joomla 1,5 have had extensions for versioning long time and lately also many different types of CCKs choose from but not in core.

But I dont believe that Wordpress is in forefront about CCKs at all or near to be as good as Joomla is regarding building a flexible CMS system using a Joomla CCK.

If you want you can have a look here for a not so updated comparison table 1/ and also an overview test not updated too 2/ for some different Joomla CCK even a Japanese is missing.

1.http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgzjuzpOC8AqdEdWSE54Y2VxLV9xbWxDclZfU3lrQ1E&hl=en_GB&single=true&gid=0&output=html
2.http://www.slideshare.net/jleomiranda/developing-components-using-joomla-ccks-5539735?from=ss_embed

I would recommend you to test a CCK like Jseblod v 1.8 stable and you will understand what I am talking about.

Spend 20 minutes here and you will be impressed I can guarantee you. You will never see something like this in the Wordpress or Drupal world http://www.jseblod-cck.com/

TomT wrote:Version 3.1 will be out at the end of the year with more new features. As far as I understand the only new things in Joomla 1.6 are ACL and layered groups. So we've been waiting for years for such a small step. And we have no idea when it will be released.


My guess is that the first J 1.6 (rc) public release will be within a few days! ;)

TomT wrote: I have no idea what happened with Joomla, but I'm going to do more and more with Wordpress. Joomla seems to be a project of the past? To bad, because I still love the admin and the easy templating system and the modules etcetera. But the internet develops to fast for the Joomla development process.


Well you are right about that and thats why its projects like Nooku Joomla rapid develoment framework s and Molajo something similar like Drupal Accuia do you know about them?

TomT wrote:Edit: I was wondering, is Joomla becoming a hobby project? Is the project saying goodbye to professionals? Because with this slow development and the fact that are no timetables for development, Joomla can't be relied on for professional use.


I think this year have done some real improvements for making the development process quicker,more transparent and better with a lot of new structure improvements on all levels.

Unfortunately it have taken some time but I think this Joomla Titanic ship is on the right direction now but that was not the case when this year was beginning even many realized that the dev and project process was not good and up to date with what was necessary.

Another question in the future fierce competition is if Drupal, Wordpress or Joomla still is alive or if one or all have died.. :'(
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby TomT » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:06 pm

Extensions are the big problem of Joomla, not the solution. The quality is mostly poor and you never know how long it will be developed. It's mostly a security risk.
I love FLEXIcontent, but the functionalities it offers should be in Joomla. I don't want two CMS systems in one admin. It's confusing for endusers and hard to maintain.
And a Nooku framework within a Joomla framework seems like a very strange concept to me. Two frameworks for basic CMS functions?

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Postby darb » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:02 pm

Please test Jseblod CCK and Nooku first.

Dont understand what you mean by two CMS?

Nooku is a plugin only and Jseblod is a CCK that use all Joomla admin and extend it with a lot of configuration parameters like Drupal. As I said test it first and then come here and tell us what is wrong, missing, bad etc.

Joomla is o n e framework that you can extend/develop to what you want and as you wish and for me the extension is not a problem that's the strength of Joomla with free small addons and more extended commercial extensions with better support of course where developers have put in a lot of work and intelligence into the addon.

I dont agree that the extensions are generally poor? more than Wordpress, Drupal et al and they are not a security risk in general too now days and due to the GPL license you can always use and continue the work that somebody else have done with an extension also. Its up to you.

Thats why I like open source and not closed source.

Example this Twitter application is an example of an application that is built on top of Joomla a twitter marketing tool http://jxtended.com/blog/showcases/90-peoplebrowsr-running-on-joomla-and-a-dash-of-jxtended.html http://www.peoplebrowsr.com/

You say that Wordpress is better bcs it have versioning and custom post types (CCK) and Joomla not. Even that the Google spread sheat pointed out 16 different types of CCKs and there is about 4-5 versioning system for Joomla 1.5.

Here you have a extra addon with version manager, multicategorization and blogging solution too if you would like to test it instead of Wordpress http://www.joomler.net/documents/120-jcontentplus-15/752-jcontentplus-overview.html

or use the blogging MovableType XML-RPC plugin http://www.joomler.net/extensions/57-movabletype-xml-rpc.html

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby Casualty1213 » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:12 am

I'm using different CMS including new releases Joomla 1.6 and Drupal 7.
Surely there are new updates and improved functionality in these new versions.
But as a permanent user I think that Joomla is above Drupal, because of the prevalence among users and community.
Also there are more free plug-ins and modules for Joomla, which also gives a great advantage.

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby darb » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:01 am

There is some statistics that is facts about how large markets all the CMS have in Europe and there Joomla is number one. This is today figures

1 Joomla! 252,231
2 WordPress 214,693
3 FrontPage 149,282
4 TYPO3 120,386
5 NetObjects Fusion 45,936
6 Drupal 39,108
7 Adobe GoLive 30,795
8 Web2Date 24,572
9 Serif WebPlus 15,763
10 xt:Commerce 8,611

http://cmscrawler.com/completelist
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby newyorkdd » Thu Jun 02, 2011 5:41 am

Yes, Joomla is simpler to learn but less powerful than Drupal so some things you might want to do could be troublesome with Joomla. In particular, the granularity of access control in Joomla doesn't match Drupal so having many users with various privileges is tricky.

But Drupal has a steep learning curve and it will take you quite a while to master it.

Hard to see how you can get there in a just a few weeks. Even if you pay someone who is expert it will take longer than that.
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby pe7er » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:54 am

newyorkdd wrote:In particular, the granularity of access control in Joomla doesn't match Drupal so having many users with various privileges is tricky.

I think that you refer to Joomla 1.5 where there are only 3 access levels for content:
public/registered/special.
See: http://docs.joomla.org/Access_Control_List

Please take a look at Joomla 1.6, there you have unlimited "granularity of access control", see:
http://docs.joomla.org/ACL_Tutorial_for_Joomla_1.6
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby prolinkmedia » Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:24 pm

The ACL in 1.6 seems great, but I have found it initially difficult to set up. Thanks for the link to the tutorial pe7er I think this will help out alot...
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby harry2012 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:36 am

Depends all what are you planning to do. If you are exspecting to have lots of posts or articles eg a press release site wordpress for sure is not the best choice because of its horrible database structure and at this time i would not call wordpress a real cms. Its more a nice blog software with thousands of free plugins.

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby helo » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:20 pm

One huge weakness in Joomla capturing more sites is the lack of a professional quality forum component. Online community groups and gaming clans shy away from Joomla for the most part due to the forum being the biggest part of their site.

There have been some promising forums pop up but the community hasn't really supported them so none have taken off.

If someone releases a forum component with the feature set close to phpBB3, then Joomla's install base would increase dramatically. Until then, it gets frustrating.

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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby oakulm » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:13 pm

Hi

I have tried Joomla few times now in our client projects and every time our clients have had much difficulties understanding basic Joomla site structure and the admin panel... I think Wordpress has much cleaner admin and therefore it's much easy to start using..
To me that's key of having great CMS.
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Re: Drupal vs Joomla systems discussions founder Drupal and

Postby dubois » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:15 pm

helo wrote:One huge weakness in Joomla capturing more sites is the lack of a professional quality forum component. Online community groups and gaming clans shy away from Joomla for the most part due to the forum being the biggest part of their site.

There have been some promising forums pop up but the community hasn't really supported them so none have taken off.

If someone releases a forum component with the feature set close to phpBB3, then Joomla's install base would increase dramatically. Until then, it gets frustrating.


that's exactly what i plan to develop since a long time, but seeing how Agora has badically been sinked after going commercial i've serious doubts there's the minimum potential critical mass of paying users needed to invest time and resource in such a dirt job, you've simply no idea how complex forums are, especially now with the ACL of J1.7 and users would also pretend to have fully working integration with another dozen of popular extensions like jomsocial, CB, etc etc which alone can take weeks or months, just imagine sycing the avatars, cache, ACL, between all these different apps and fixing all the bugs in between and providing support for j1.5xx,1.6.xx,and j1.7xx

if you're waiting for somebody to do all this for free, you will have to wait a very long time and that's the reason there's nothing serious also for Wordpress apart Buddypress.

Fireboard/Kunena is a horrible forum but it's the best you can get at the moment, certainly better than using clumsy bridges.

if i will ever embark in this suicide mission i will simply hack Kunena and improve it.


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