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Joomla Credits

Post by maxdg » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:28 pm

Hi,

I have a question regarding this website and others like it.

It is legal to hide ALL the Joomla references, both in footer and metatags..?

Thanks and sorry, if this is not the right place to post..
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Re: Joomla Credits

Post by nathandiehl » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:30 pm

that is not Joomla!. it is Mambo.
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Re: Joomla Credits

Post by maxdg » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:31 pm

nathandiehl wrote: that is not Joomla!. it is Mambo.
Sorry Nathan... I've corrected the URL... reclick, please..

I think this can prove it's Joomla:

/includes/joomla.php
/administrator/
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Post by kenmcd » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:11 pm

maxdg wrote: It is legal to hide ALL the Joomla references, both in footer and metatags..?
Yes.
References must only remain in the source code.
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Post by bergmannn » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:22 pm

So the way how this guy is using Joomla! is ok?
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Post by nathandiehl » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:24 pm

kenmcd wrote: Yes.
References must only remain in the source code.
We can't see the source code to give you a difinite answer. But if the references do remain in the source code, then yes.
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Re: Joomla Credits

Post by maxdg » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:12 pm

So, if I leave comments on each file as is, adding a line on COPYRIGHT.php ...

Instead of:

Code: Select all

<meta name="Generator" content="Joomla! - Copyright (C) 2005 Open Source Matters. All rights reserved." />
I can put on my websites something like this:

Code: Select all

<meta name="Generator" content="My CMS - me@mycms.com" />
Is it correct?
May I take this as an official answer?

Thanks.
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Re: Joomla Credits

Post by maxdg » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:28 pm

After 12 days...  I think there's only 2 answers and a verbose "no answer" possible:

- Yes
- No
- Maybe

Or, some of you can kindly suggest me where and how I can have it...
But silence isn't so good..

Thank You.  ;)
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Post by gws » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:39 pm

All that I have seen in the forums about this sort of issue seems to say that the credits must remain in the source files but you are not obliged to acknowledge joomla on the visible part of your website, so it would appear that what you want to do is OK. There is an extension for advanced sef that actually removes the generator lines from your site and nobody has complained about this. However I am not a lawyer.
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Post by mporcheron » Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:42 pm

the GNU GPL license states that as long as the copyright remains in the SOURCE CODE it is permitted.  you do not need permission to remove any public reference to joomla on your site (whether it a meta tag or copyright footer).

maxdg, while what you say is fine i do not understand why anyone would want to pretend they are not using Joomla!.
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Post by maxdg » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:00 pm

Thank You gws, but I still have some doubts.. regarding that "credits".

may be:
/**
* @version $Id: database.php 3749 2006-05-31 10:27:15Z stingrey $
* @package Joomla
* @subpackage Database
* @copyright Copyright (C) 2005 Open Source Matters. All rights reserved.
* @license http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html GNU/GPL, see LICENSE.php
* Joomla! is free software. This version may have been modified pursuant
* to the GNU General Public License, and as distributed it includes or
* is derivative of works licensed under the GNU General Public License or
* other free or open source software licenses.
* See COPYRIGHT.php for copyright notices and details.
*/
Or:
In the first case you can't see it by a code visualisation.
In the second you can, but it's useless... if it isn't requested..

@ mporcheron: in "some worlds" they like to sell you something as a new brand item... with charges and credits...  I know this world isn't yours or mine but "they" live and work in the same world of us... ambiguity do the rest..

Tha fact is:
Why I must declare that I'm using a copyrighted CMS to my clients when I can charge more for an "original" CMS?

Sure I don't want to do that but... if it's possible... why "somebody" can do it and why I'm SO sure that if I do something similar I'll be warned?

Perhaps this issue is a little bit similar to an "old" question...?  ???

It seems like I'm asking "who killed JFZ?" ... huh?! 8)
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Re: Joomla Credits

Post by maxdg » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:28 pm

brian wrote: You are getting the silence becasue this question has been asked and answered many many times on the forum
Brian... if it's SO true that you can find a lot of answers ... why spending so much words instead of putting a link?
It would be more appreciated, sure..
;)

And, about your last answer.. which of the two pieces of text you can call "SOURCE CODE"?
Maybe both?
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Post by maxdg » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:42 pm

Brian, I would to thank You for you kind partecipation but I got to admit to myself that your answers are absolutely useless..
Sorry.
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Post by maxdg » Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:50 pm

Why you feel you must be so aggressive?
Do you have to prove something?
To me..?
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Post by maxdg » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:12 pm

Brian, follow me for a while...

About your "search" suggest:

Don't start a relationship with s.o. as you where the only "brain" in a room full of apes..
Try to think that, if someone is asking .. perhaps he don't find nothing useful with your beloved "search" button.
It can happen, don't you think? Or are you REALLY thinking that someone like me with 954 posts are still unable to use that function?
Perhaps you want to call me stupid?

Plus, don't talk about "many and many" messages if you aren't able to link one.

About Topic:

Look.
I ask for a simply answer: Yes or Not.
The thruth is always simple.. do you see any answer of this kind in this topic?
I can't.

About "SOURCE CODE":

There's a question still on the table.. you gave me a no-answer, telling me about the nature of the code posted but no words about what is called or intended as "SOURCE CODE" in the EULA of Joomla (that's the matter, Brian... it isn't a programming issue).

Last but not least... You are the only one who are complaining about this topics.. it seems like it was a personal war for you, but it isn't a matter of mine... the only think I ask you is, please, don't pluralize your own ideas...  thanks.. ;)
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Post by Jenny » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:50 pm

**
* @version $Id: database.php 3749 2006-05-31 10:27:15Z stingrey $
* @package Joomla
* @subpackage Database
* @copyright Copyright (C) 2005 Open Source Matters. All rights reserved.
* @license http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html GNU/GPL, see LICENSE.php
* Joomla! is free software. This version may have been modified pursuant
* to the GNU General Public License, and as distributed it includes or
* is derivative of works licensed under the GNU General Public License or
* other free or open source software licenses.
* See COPYRIGHT.php for copyright notices and details.
*/
That is the copyright notice in the source code.  You also can look up in the copyright.php the details of the copyright.  That also cannot be removed.  You do not have to have footer or meta information, or any other visible mention of Joomla! but you cannot remove the copyright notices in the source code or copyright.php.  I also think that have to keep the copyright.php intact with the Joomla! files.

Does that answer your question? 


Just a note.. this issue is brought up every now and then, (see the general discussion forum).  I don't understand why it is brought up unless it is brought up in the context of one's own site, but for some reason that almost never seems to be the case.. it is brought up in the context of someone else site.
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Post by maxdg » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:55 am

That is the copyright notice in the source code.  You also can look up in the copyright.php the details of the copyright.  That also cannot be removed.  You do not have to have footer or meta information, or any other visible mention of Joomla! but you cannot remove the copyright notices in the source code or copyright.php.
 

OK, we can call this a "clear" answer.
(never had doubt about this: "a clear answer is possible".. ;))
I also think that have to keep the copyright.php intact with the Joomla! files.
Does that answer your question? 
Partially..  ;)
I think you have to keep the copyright.php content intact, but adding infos is permitted.
We can see in copyright.php the old Mambo copyright:
Mambo
----
Copyright: 2000 - 2004 Miro International Pty Ltd
License: GNU General Public License (GPL)
So, someone can make (or not) some little modifications, adding his copyright as above and (legally) putting some like this in metatags:
...which is not requested but can make sense to Mr. "someone".. ;)
Just a note.. this issue is brought up every now and then, (see the general discussion forum).  I don't understand why it is brought up unless it is brought up in the context of one's own site, but for some reason that almost never seems to be the case.. it is brought up in the context of someone else site.
Nothing strange, I think.
Questions cames up when you take a look at the universe as it is.. or speculating about abstract theories.
I'm not that kind of scientist.. I only look around and questions cames up.
Try to figure out how can I have questions about Joomla if Joomla don't exist..
Same.. if I never think about changing copyrights I need someone who does it, for having some questions to ask.
In most case, in the whole human activity, you need a previous issue to start your interest... don't you think?
;)

If your question is a simple "why?" I can answer saying that we all are different, ones feels good with poor informations (or the "right" amount of that) and others wants to catch the fox.
The same in music. Most people feels confortable playing the same 5/6 chords for life.. (and maybe building a career around 3 or 4 progressions or less..) others wants to studying orchestration, sound engineering, new techniques and harmonic rules..
I'm just trying to deeply understand that rules because (as musician first) copyright issues are for me a great argument of interest.

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Post by trancedesigner » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:54 am

i would like explain something regarding...

1 - my first activity is SEO and for this reason today on my joomla installs, generator and keywords tags are not present (i delete them from code)
2 - on core files, copyright is still present, it is not in my mind "sell my cms"
3 - on joomla.org there are some of my FREE template
4 - i send monthly money for the joomla project
5 - on web there are more than 3.000 joomla web site based on my FREE template sent to j o o m a a o s . d e
6 - reason? only SEO necessities

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Post by maxdg » Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:22 pm

Nothing personal, Achille.. I linked your site as an example.
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