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Joomla 4 ready for primetime?

Post by CMSwithMe » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:35 am

This question is for the development team or anyone already building production sites with Joomla 4. How close to primetime is Joomla 4 and what would you say are it's current challenges and omissions? If I build sites on J3.x now, what will I need to rip out when the inevitable upgrade to J4 finally happens?
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Re: Joomla 4 ready for primetime?

Post by pe7er » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:04 pm

CMSwithMe wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:35 am
How close to primetime is Joomla 4 and what would you say are it's current challenges and omissions?
Joomla 4 is still in the Alpha phase.
After that there will be some Beta versions (no new features will be added),
followed by RC (Release Candidate) versions.

There is no date known for the Joomla 4.0 Stable release.
It all depends on volunteers helping out with testing patches (you can help too!) and submitting code.

Take a look at the git repo for issues that need to be resolved & Pull Requests (Code that has been submitted to Joomla and might need some more testers) :
https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/


If I build sites on J3.x now, what will I need to rip out when the inevitable upgrade to J4 finally happens?
Your 3rd party extensions need to be compatible with J4 if you want to use them on J4.

Because Joomla 4 Beta is not yet released, it's not known what the exact changes are between J3 & J4.
There's a list of Potential backward compatibility issues in Joomla 4 (meaning things from J3 that do not work in J4) see: https://docs.joomla.org/Potential_backw ... n_Joomla_4


About Joomla 3 > Joomla 4:
"In preparation for Joomla! 4.0, Joomla! 3.10 will primarily be a release containing backports of API changes from the 4.0 development branch to help ease the transition to the next major release for the community. It is planned for 3.10 and 4.0 to release simultaneously."
See: https://developer.joomla.org/roadmap.html
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Re: Joomla 4 ready for primetime?

Post by CMSwithMe » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:09 pm

Thank you Peter.

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Re: Joomla 4 ready for primetime?

Post by Per Yngve Berg » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:47 pm

The biggest challenge will be the jump from Bootstrap 2.3 to version 4. Bootstrap is not backwards compatible. You will need a new of updated template. If you have used the old Bootstrap classes inside articles, they also have to be changed.

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Re: Joomla 4 ready for primetime?

Post by AMurray » Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:11 pm

pe7er wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:04 pm
CMSwithMe wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:35 am
How close to primetime is Joomla 4 and what would you say are it's current challenges and omissions?
Joomla 4 is still in the Alpha phase.
After that there will be some Beta versions (no new features will be added),
followed by RC (Release Candidate) versions.
It appears Beta1 is already out (listed on Nightly Builds) - https://developer.joomla.org/nightly-builds.html. I don't now how that coordinates with any other testing release such as on Github?
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Re: Joomla 4 ready for primetime?

Post by mbabker » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:37 pm

AMurray wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:11 pm
pe7er wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:04 pm
CMSwithMe wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:35 am
How close to primetime is Joomla 4 and what would you say are it's current challenges and omissions?
Joomla 4 is still in the Alpha phase.
After that there will be some Beta versions (no new features will be added),
followed by RC (Release Candidate) versions.
It appears Beta1 is already out (listed on Nightly Builds) - https://developer.joomla.org/nightly-builds.html. I don't now how that coordinates with any other testing release such as on Github?
The nightly builds use a version number for the next scheduled version, suffixed with the string "-dev". This allows sites to be updated from a previous tagged release up to the nightly build (in theory it should work for jumping between nightly builds of the same version, but this bit may be a little flaky since the version info doesn't change), and the nightly build to be updated back onto the "stable track". If you look, the 3.9 builds it shows the version as "3.9.14-dev" right now; 3.9.13 is the current stable release and 3.9.14 is the planned next patch release, so in theory you could install the current 3.9.14-dev nightly build onto a site then when 3.9.14 actually releases update to that.

If the nightly builds ever have a version string that is a 100% match with a tagged release (of any stability), then somebody screwed up somewhere in going through the release process because the version string should only be in a "stable" state for a very short period of time while the actual release is being assembled.


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