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Questions from your newest member!

Post by jomo60 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:51 am

Hi,
I am new here and did read the Absolute Beginner's Guide to Joomla! I am not saying I understood everything but I did read it as the forum policy requires.

I have a few questions. I currently have two Joomla! sites which are version 1.5 which I want to update.
I currently use godaddy as a host but they really do not support Joomla! Should I change to another host? If yes, then who is best?

I think that there is a way to make the two sites into one (I am sure that I am not using the correct phrase) so that I can save hosting fees. Is this correct? How do I do this or should I ask after I make my 1st site?

I have been making changes and adding pages to my website for about 10 years now. I think that I have to start from scratch for my current sites is that true? My concern is that I never actually started a Joomla site from scratch and was wondering if I can get help from the forum in getting started as I will have many questions about this. Is there a way to get nice free templates or am I going to have to buy some. I looked online and for a given template there are different prices so which package do I need if I am going to do everything myself?

Can I keep the same URLs I currently have for the two new sites? Will I lose the 10 years that I have the site for regarding SEO?

If you can think of anything else I should have asked please include those answers in your response. If I need to give you any other information then please ask.

Thank you,
Jomo
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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by pe7er » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:12 am

jomo60 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:51 am
I currently use godaddy as a host but they really do not support Joomla! Should I change to another host? If yes, then who is best?
Yes, if a hosting company does not fit your requirements, switching to another would be best.
Is there a Joomla user group in your area?
There you will have a bunch of experiences with different hosting companies in your area.

I think that there is a way to make the two sites into one (I am sure that I am not using the correct phrase) so that I can save hosting fees. Is this correct? How do I do this or should I ask after I make my 1st site?
I would only merge 2 sites if it makes sense content wise. Not because you might save hosting costs.
If I would merge 2 sites, I would probably start with one, and add the other later.

I have been making changes and adding pages to my website for about 10 years now. I think that I have to start from scratch for my current sites is that true?
Difficult to say. I would start from scratch, but copy the categories / articles / menu from the old site to start with a lot of content. I would rewrite the content later.

Is there a way to get nice free templates or am I going to have to buy some. I looked online and for a given template there are different prices so which package do I need if I am going to do everything myself?
That depends on your knowledge. If a template has a Quick Install template (Joomla + template + example content) I would use that only as example. But I would install Joomla from scratch, add content, install (or build) a template.

Can I keep the same URLs I currently have for the two new sites? Will I lose the 10 years that I have the site for regarding SEO?
No, you will probably end up with other URLs. Joomla has a Redirect Manager that you can use to "301 redirect" non-existing links to existing ones. Or use .htaccess to add "301 redirects". It will give a "301 permanently moved" status to search engines, and those will change their search index with the new URLs.

If you can think of anything else I should have asked please include those answers in your response. If I need to give you any other information then please ask.
I would set up the new Joomla site on a local computer (eg using XAMP) and use Akeeba Backup to restore it at a web server to put it live.
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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by Webdongle » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 pm

Ditch nodaddy they are useless
To update best install fresh latest Joomla without sample data then port the data,
https://www.eshiol.it/joomla/ has extensions for J1.5 and 3.5 to convert the data.
Best done on Wamp Localhost
You can use Akeeba to move the site https://www.akeebabackup.com/static-con ... ility.html for version compatibility.
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by leolam » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:44 pm

Webdongle wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:35 pm
Ditch nodaddy they are useless
correct
To update best install fresh latest Joomla without sample data then port the data,
https://www.eshiol.it/joomla/ has extensions for J1.5 and 3.5 to convert the data.
Why keeping hammering on J2XML which is not a migration tool? For me that is bad advise since we have good tools as I have described in all my (posted) tutorials and as published on the documentation portal of Joomla. Spupgrade for example upgrades in a nutshell without loosing ranking a site in nano seconds and you do not have to go through the crap of J2XML which is badly documented (I personally still do not understand it but maybe you can write a manual for it?....)

The only proper and easy way (not much effort) viewtopic.php?f=710&t=925100

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Post by Webdongle » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:47 pm

There is no easy way to migrate from 1.5. Yes the OP can hire someone to do it or spend ages migrating but they will still need to find new extensions. Install a fresh Joomla and porting the data over is often the best choice for a newbie. Instead of attacking options that you don't like try being positive.
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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by leolam » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:02 pm

It was no offense Kevin... your options presented are no good imho and that is what I express. I do not agree with the statement that installing a fresh Joomla and start all over..that is nonsense as we have shown hundreds of times over the past years (and you know that!). It does not takes ages to migrate with spUpgrade as outlined in our tutorial (you seem to have never followed it clearly since you have no idea obviously) and as published on the Joomla portal as well https://docs.joomla.org/Special:MyLangu ... 1.5_to_3.x

(Why are you always feel being attacked when you face (positive) criticism? Curious...)

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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by Webdongle » Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:19 pm

leolam wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:02 pm
It was no offense Kevin... your options presented are no good imho and that is what I express. I do not agree with the statement that installing a fresh Joomla and start all over..that is nonsense as we have shown hundreds of times over the past years...
No you are wrong. It has been proven many times that is often the best option for a newbie.
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by pe7er » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:38 am

@jomo60 As you can see in this topic, there are various possibilities to upgrade/migrate to the most recent Joomla version.

Personally I would start from scratch with (at this moment) Joomla 3.9.19.

The first reason is that I'd like to start with a clean website and only add what is necessary. I'd like to minimize the non-core extensions and use as much core functionality as possible. You can so much with Joomla's Custom Fields and Joomla's (alternative) template overrides. I use that a lot to replace non-core extensions.

The second reason is regarding the configuration. In every minor version (3.7.0, 3.8.0, 3.9.0) new features or small configuration changes are added. Because of backwards compatibility some new features or changes are not added with an upgrade.

For instance, if you install a new 3.9.19 website, the RSS & ATOM feeds do NOT contain email addresses by default
(background info https://github.com/joomla/joomla-cms/pull/7411 )
If you upgrade from an older version, the old setting of your website are kept and remain unchanged.

Another example is that the 3.9.0 version introduced the Privacy Toolkit Suite. If you upgrade 3.8 (or lower) to 3.9, then you have to manually enable the privacy toolkit modules/plugins. If you install 3.9.19, all plugins/modules are enabled by default.
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Re: Questions from your newest member!

Post by Webdongle » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:14 pm

@jomo60
As you can see @leo is talking rubbish when he claims that
leo wrote:installing a fresh Joomla and start all over..that is nonsense as we have shown hundreds of times over the past years...
It can be clearly seen what @pe7er's (a forum mod) preference is
pe7er wrote:Personally I would start from scratch with (at this moment) Joomla 3.9.19
Although @leo claims that starting from scratch with a fresh install is "nonsense" ... he has not given a constructive method of migrating from a 1.5 site. I do not doubt that he is capable (for a price) of migrating a 1.5 site but he just argues against installing a fresh Joomla without giving any practical alternative.
http://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/
https://www.weblinksonline.co.uk/updating-joomla.html
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